The word Judgement literally means to judge or decide.
judgment
noun
(also judgement)
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the
ability to
form valuable opinions and make good
decisions:
~Cambridge dictionary
Does everyone receive this 'public confirmation of the salvation He already gave?'
If no, then you are saying on the formal day we are judged, some will be confirmed, and some will not be confirmed. Is that correct? If yes how is this formal confirmation Not a judgment performed by Christ? Because deciding who is confirmed and who is not is again the literal definition of judgment
So then explain mat 7 denial of salvation by Christ to those who not only openly affirm Jesus' deity, but also came with a list of works that could only be powered by the Holy Spirit. (Careful as the only other source of said power comes from Satan and Jesus said attributing the power of the Holy Spirit to satan was an unforgivable sin.) These men clearly thought they where 'christians.' Yet Christ Judged them not to be save at all.
How can you presume to tell christ when He can or can not decide a souls eternal fate? Is Jesus some how prevented from deciding in that moment? How do you account for Him telling the thief that he was saved well before His death burial and resurrection would have saved Him?
Q5: Can Christ decide that someone is not saved, who thinks that they are?
Not a personal attack just the only way I know how to ask this question that demonstrates how some of these men who will go to Christ 'on that day' and say to Him Lord, Lord... will find out that they where never christian to begin with despite their beliefs.
Can Christ judge you not saved, given your 'faith'/everything you have or have not done? I'm not asking would He do so? I'm asking could He do so? Is it possible to have a different understanding of your eternal fate than that of Christ?
Yes — everyone receives a judgment, but not everyone receives a confirmation of salvation.
Scripture is explicit:
Some receive
vindication
Some receive
condemnation
Both are judgments, but only one is a
confirmation of salvation.
“He will separate them one from another.” (Matt. 25:32)
Separation
is judgment. Confirmation
is judgment. Condemnation
is judgment.
Judgment day reveals the verdict; it does not form the verdict.
But yes — the revealing
is a judgment.
This is not a contradiction. It is the biblical distinction between:
verdict formed in Christ
verdict revealed at judgment
“If some are confirmed and some are not, isn’t that judgment?”
Correct — the act of revealing the verdict
is judgment. But the verdict itself was already determined by Christ’s promise, not by the judgment event.
Judgment Day is
public disclosure, not
private decision‑making.
Christ does not “decide” on that day. He
declares on that day.
This is why He can say: “He who believes
has eternal life.” (John 6:47)
Not
will have, not
might have, not
will be decided later.
The verdict exists
now. Judgment Day reveals it.
You asked: “Explain how Christ denies salvation to people who thought they were Christians.”
Matthew 7 does not show Christ changing His verdict; it shows Christ revealing the verdict that was always true, they were never His.
Jesus says: “I
never knew you.” (Matt. 7:23)
Not:
“I knew you once but changed My mind.”
“I knew you but you fell away.”
“I knew you until judgment day.”
Never.
Their works were real. Their profession was real. Their self‑confidence was real.
But their salvation was
never real.
Matthew 7 proves my point,
Judgment Day reveals the truth; it does not create the truth
“How can you tell Christ when He can or cannot decide?”
I am not telling Christ when He can decide; I am telling you what Christ Himself said about when He did decide
Christ already gave His verdict: “He who believes
has eternal life.” “They shall
never perish.” “I give them eternal life.” “No one can snatch them out of My hand.”
If Christ says
never perish, then the verdict is already fixed.
If salvation were unknown until judgment, Christ would have to say: “He who believes
might have eternal life.”
But He never says that.
You asked, “How do you account for Christ telling the thief he was saved before the resurrection?”
Brother, the thief proves the verdict is decided by Christ Himself, not by a future courtroom event. Christ judged him saved on the spot.
Christ did not say, “You will find out later.”
He said, “Today you will be with Me in paradise.” (Luke 23:43)
That is
judgment —but it is judgment
before the final day.
This proves my point again,
Christ can judge at any moment He chooses — and He already has.
“Can Christ decide someone is not saved who thinks they are?”
yes — Christ can reveal that someone was never saved. But He cannot decide something contrary to His own promise.
Christ can say, “You were never Mine.” (Matt. 7:23)
But He cannot say, “You believed My promise, but I changed My verdict.”
That would make Christ:
unfaithful
contradictory
unreliable
deceptive
Scripture says the opposite, “He cannot deny Himself.” (2 Tim. 2:13)
So the answer is:
Q: Can Christ judge someone unsaved who thinks they are?
A: Yes — if they were never saved.
Q: Can Christ judge someone unsaved who truly believed His promise?
A: No — because He already judged them saved.
Brother, Christ’s judgment is real, final, and absolute — but it is the revelation of the verdict He already gave, not the moment He invents a new verdict. Matthew 7 shows false believers discovering the truth; the thief shows true believers receiving the truth early. Christ can reveal a verdict at any moment, but He cannot contradict His own promise.
