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There are some Christians who object to being judgmental about other Christians. They say that we shouldn't judge other Christians by our works. I completely agree.

The Christians that say they are continued sinners and still doing sinful works, should not at all judge all Christians the same as them, and say that we all are still sinful and committing transgressions in life. That is a wrong judgment to make of other people, that is only according to themselves and their own works. Scripture forbids it:

Jas 4:11
Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother...There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

Likewise, Christians of righteousness not transgressing our Lord's commandments, should never judge other Christians according to themselves and their daily living. The righteous Christians should never say that all Christians are the same as themselves, and are all keeping God's commandments blamelesss.

Let not the Christian sinner accuse all Christians of continued sinning, and let not the righteous Christian accuse all Christians of doing righteousness. But let us all be judged by our works with the Lord Jesus Christ Himself:

2Co 5:9
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
 
Not only does Scripture forbid us judging one another by our own works, but we also are forbidden such judgmentalism by our own conscience.

1Co 10:29
Conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged of another man's conscience?
If we have liberty of the Lord to keep His commandments blamelessly, then we need not be judged by the conscience of others that transgress His commandments. If another Christian claims liberty of the Lord to sin against His commandments, then we need not judge them by our clean conscience.

Like as confessing our own works righteous or sinful, so also let us each confess our own conscience clean or defiled, and let the Lord judge each person by our works:

1 Peter {1:15}
And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

And once again, Scripture declares it's foolish to judge others by ourselves, because all Christian are not the same in our works. Some confess righteous and holy living, and others confess continued sinning in life.

2Co 10:12
They that measure themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.
We should all allow each Christian to confess for ourselves, the manner of life we live accordiing to our own conscience. And let the Lord Himself divide between His wheat and the tares.

Mat 13:29
But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
 
Mat 7:1&2 “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you."

Judge no person Christian or otherwise. You can judge what they do, but do not judge them.
This is a requirement to enter the Kingdom of God.
 
ATG said:
There are some Christians who object to being judgmental about other Christians. They say that we shouldn't judge other Christians by our works. I completely agree.

The Christians that say they are continued sinners and still doing sinful works, should not at all judge all Christians the same as them, and say that we all are still sinful and committing transgressions in life. That is a wrong judgment to make of other people, that is only according to themselves and their own works. Scripture forbids it:

Jas 4:11
Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother...There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

Likewise, Christians of righteousness not transgressing our Lord's commandments, should never judge other Christians according to themselves and their daily living. The righteous Christians should never say that all Christians are the same as themselves, and are all keeping God's commandments blamelesss.

Let not the Christian sinner accuse all Christians of continued sinning, and let not the righteous Christian accuse all Christians of doing righteousness. But let us all be judged by our works with the Lord Jesus Christ Himself:

2Co 5:9
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
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Concern for spiritual unity/non-judgmentalism is the reason for my threads regarding God's requirement for salvation and employing a biblical hermeneutic.

We may exercise discernment, but we are too fallible to judge a person's ultimate destiny.
 
I’m not here to argue with anyone, just to discuss Scripture. If my tone or phrasing bothers someone, it’s not pride—it’s simply the result of forty years of study shaping how I speak. I’m not attacking anyone or trying to prove a point. I’ll keep sharing what I can, and anyone who wants to engage respectfully is welcome.
 
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11But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person.
12For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? But those who are outside God judges. Therefore “put away from yourselves the evil person.”

"How much more, things that pertain to this life? If then you have judgments concerning things pertaining to this life, do you appoint those who are least esteemed by the church to judge? I say this to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you, not even one, who will be able to judge between his brethren?"
 
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1Co 5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
1Co 5:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
1Co 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
1Co 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
1Co 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
 
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1Co 5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
1Co 5:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
1Co 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
1Co 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
1Co 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
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Thing is though, people are hardly ever 'put away' lanymore. Instead we hear that we 'are all sinners or only human or whatever'.

Even so called pastors who are caught with immorality and other failures sometimes just get told 'well do better next time' and everyone just nods happily because the alternative is too real. Actually, they might sue.
 
pinebeach said:
Thing is though, people are hardly ever 'put away' lanymore. Instead we hear that we 'are all sinners or only human or whatever'.

Even so called pastors who are caught with immorality and other failures sometimes just get told 'well do better next time' and everyone just nods happily because the alternative is too real. Actually, they might sue.
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I've put away several people. Some examples include: One woman who argued that her affair, against her believing husband, was simply because of her brokenness. Another saw no issue with her sexual immorality. Another, a married man, tried to "get with" the first woman mentioned after seeing her account on a dating site.

Each instance was carefully handled with much patience. The intent, in all cases, was to rescue the person from their sins.
 
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DenDog said:
Mat 7:1&2 “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you."

Judge no person Christian or otherwise. You can judge what they do, but do not judge them.
This is a requirement to enter the Kingdom of God.
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This is a bit of a cop out. By Scripture of God, it's not possible to judge our works, but not ourselves.

1Sa 24:13
As saith the proverb of the ancients, Wickedness proceedeth from the wicked:

1 John{3:7}
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that is doing righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

Mat 12:33
Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

Since Scripture and Jesus say that we are judged by our works, then judging our works is judging us.

Therefore, by the standard of nonjudgmentalism, which says not to judge others by our works, then we must not judge the works, in order not to judge the person.

The Christian sinner has no right to judge all Christians the same sinners as themselves, by saying all Christians commit sins. Nor do the righteous Christians have any need to judge all Christians the same as themselves, by saying all Christians are doing righteously.
 
Aaron56 said:
I've put away several people. Some examples include: One woman who argued that her affair, against her believing husband, was simply because of her brokenness. Another saw no issue with her sexual immorality. Another, a married man, tried to "get with" the first woman mentioned after seeing her account on a dating site.

Each instance was carefully handled with much patience. The intent, in all cases, was to rescue the person from their sins
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That is a difficult thing to do.
 
ATG said:
This is a bit of a cop out. By Scripture of God, it's not possible to judge our works, but not ourselves.

1Sa 24:13
As saith the proverb of the ancients, Wickedness proceedeth from the wicked:

1 John{3:7}
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that is doing righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

Mat 12:33
Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

Since Scripture and Jesus say that we are judged by our works, then judging our works is judging us.

Therefore, by the standard of nonjudgmentalism, which says not to judge others by our works, then we must not judge the works, in order not to judge the person.

The Christian sinner has no right to judge all Christians the same sinners as themselves, by saying all Christians commit sins. Nor do the righteous Christians have any need to judge all Christians the same as themselves, by saying all Christians are doing righteously.
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"Since Scripture and Jesus say that we are judged by our works, then judging our works is judging us."

If you had a neighbor that stole something from you. What would you say about it. Would you say, "He's a thief?" or would you say, "That man stole something from me?"
Matthew 12:37 For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”

Besides, forgiveness will never work in judgment. Therefore, judge no-one, not even yourself.

1Cor 4:1 Let a man so consider us, as servants of Christ and stewards of the mysteries of God. 2 Moreover it is required in stewards that one be found faithful. 3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you or by a human court. In fact, I do not even judge myself. 4 For I know of nothing against myself, yet I am not justified by this; but He who judges me is the Lord. 5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes, who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness and reveal the counsels of the hearts. Then each one’s praise will come from God.
 
GWH said:
Concern for spiritual unity/non-judgmentalism is the reason for my threads regarding God's requirement for salvation and employing a biblical hermeneutic.
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We can all certainly agree, that nonjudgmentalism is for unity.

Therefore, we can all agree, that judging all Christians as sinners committing sins, or all Christians as righteous doing righteousness, has no place in a unified nonjudgmental body of believers.

We should all rebuke any Christians sinner, that judgmentally accuses all Christians of being sinners like themselvers, and any righteous Christian, that judgmentally declares all Christians are being righteous like themselves.


GWH said:
We may exercise discernment, but we are too fallible to judge a person's ultimate destiny.
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And this is more judgmentalism in the name of nonjudgmetnalism: Fallible Christians judging that all Christians are fallible as they are. Especially when judging that all Christians are fallible judges.

Once again, how can we confess our own fallible judgment, and then go on to judge all Christians are fallible in judgment? By our own confession, our own judgment is too fallible to make any judgment of others.

Nonjudgmentalism demands that we can only speak of ourselves, not of all others as being the same as us.

Therefore, neither fallibility nor infallibility is the basis of nonjudgmentalism, but rather the rule against judging others by ourselves. Unity is the only goal of nonjudgmentalism.

Nonjudgmental Christian must never fall into the snare of judging all others as ourselves, whether as being sinner or saint, fallible judge or infallible judge.
 
Seeker47 said:
.....sure do hope Christians understand the difference between judgment and discernment!!!
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Judgement and discernment are the same thing. However, we tend to look at judgement as condemnation. In the scripture I brought up earlier it really is.
(Mat. 7:1&2 “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you."),
What if the word "judge" was replaced with the word "condemn." Then it becomes, "Condemn not that you be not condemned. For with what condemnation you condemn, you will be condemned; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you."

Anyway, we tend to look at judgement as condemnation and discernment as knowledge.
 
DenDog said:
Besides, forgiveness will never work in judgment. Therefore, judge no-one, not even yourself.
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Where does salvation, forgiveness of our sins and no longer judged worthy of eternal death, fit into your conclusion then?

We are to examine ourselves so what you say there is perhaps your own understanding

I see you have blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord on top of the flag of this country. Do you believe that the US is a godly nation or in covenant with God?
DenDog said:
"Since Scripture and Jesus say that we are judged by our works, then judging our works is judging us."
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Where?
 
Aaron56 said:
11But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person.
12For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? But those who are outside God judges. Therefore “put away from yourselves the evil person.”

"How much more, things that pertain to this life? If then you have judgments concerning things pertaining to this life, do you appoint those who are least esteemed by the church to judge? I say this to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you, not even one, who will be able to judge between his brethren?"
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And so, by the Scriptures you are preaching a gospel of judgmentalism by works?

You say that a Christian sinner can judge all Christians to be sinners committing sins, because their own works are sinful?

A Christian saint can judge all Christians to be righteous doing righteousness, because their own works are righteous?
 
timf said:
1Co 5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
1Co 5:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
1Co 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
1Co 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
1Co 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
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And so, you also are by Scripture preaching a gospel of judgmentalism by works?

You say that a Christian sinner can judge all Christians to be sinners committing sins, because their own works are sinful?

A Christian saint can judge all Christians to be righteous doing righteousness, because their own works are righteous?
 
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