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TMS said:
Mar 2:27-28
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Jesus said He was Lord of the Sabbath and that it was made for Man, (all mankind).

Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

There are 2 application to the above verse. Both are after the death and resurrection of Jesus. Jesus was referring to a the holy sabbath in the future.

Heb 4:9 KJV There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

Rest = sabbath
There remains a sabbath rest for God's people.

The sabbath is in the NT in many places
The sabbath was clearly given to us at creation. And clearly given in the 10 commandments.

Logic would say that God would clearly express a change or a removal of the sabbath.

Presumption changes things when there is no clear reason
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  • Mark 2:27 does not universalize Sabbath.
  • Matthew 24:20 is about Jewish travel restrictions, not Christian law.
  • Hebrews 4:9 is salvation rest, not Saturday.
  • Genesis never commands Adam to keep Sabbath.
  • “Remember” does not imply pre‑Sinai observance.
  • The Sabbath is the sign of the Sinai covenant.
  • The Sinai covenant is obsolete (Heb 8:13).
The Sabbath was for Israel under Moses, not for the Church under Christ.
 
OMC said:
I am unwilling to let anyone smuggle the Sinai covenant back into the New Covenant by appealing to creation, Hebrew word studies, or English assumptions about the word remember.

“Mark 2:27 says mankind, not Jews — therefore the Sabbath is universal.”

False — because Jesus is not giving a creation ordinance. He is correcting Pharisees.**

Mark 2:27: “The Sabbath was made for man…”
Yes, anthrōpos means “humanity.”

But Jesus is not:
universalizing the Sabbath,
legislating a creation command,
re‑imposing Sinai on Gentiles,
giving Adam a Sabbath,
giving the nations a Sabbath.
He is correcting Pharisaic abuse of the Sabbath.

He is saying: “The Sabbath was made to benefit Israel, not to burden Israel.”
Context determines meaning — not lexicons.

If anthrōpos meant “all humanity must keep Sabbath,” then:
Paul could not say “one person esteems one day, another every day alike.”
Paul could not say “let no one judge you regarding Sabbaths.”
The apostles would have commanded Gentiles to keep Sabbath.
The Jerusalem council would have required Sabbath observance.
But none of that happens.

“Adam was made on day 6, Sabbath on day 7 — therefore Adam kept Sabbath.”

False — Genesis never says Adam kept the Sabbath.**

Not once.

There is:
no command to Adam,
no mention of Adam resting,
no mention of Adam sanctifying the seventh day,
no mention of Adam observing a Sabbath,
no mention of any human keeping Sabbath before Moses.
Genesis 2:3 says God rested. It does not say man rested.

The first time the Sabbath is commanded is Exodus 16 — to Israel alone.

Deuteronomy 5:2–3: “The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us.”
The Sabbath was not given to Adam.
It was given to Israel.

“Remember the Sabbath day implies pre‑Sinai observance.”

False — ‘remember’ means ‘do not forget what I am commanding you now.’**

The Hebrew zākar (“remember”) is used constantly for new commands:

“Remember what Amalek did…” (Deut 25:17)
“Remember you were slaves…” (Deut 5:15)
“Remember the LORD your God…” (Deut 8:18)
None of these existed before Sinai.

“Remember” does not mean “this command existed before.” It means: “Do not forget this command I am giving you.”
Your argument is based on English sentiment, not Hebrew grammar.

“The Sabbath is the Sabbath of the LORD, not of the Jews.”

Correct — but irrelevant.**

Yes, the Sabbath belongs to God.
But God gave it to Israel, not to the nations.

Exodus 31:13–17: “It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever.”
Not:
Adam
Noah
Gentiles
the Church
mankind

Israel.

The Sabbath is the sign of the Sinai covenant.
When the covenant ends, the sign ends.

“Hebrews 4 commands Sabbath observance.”
False — Hebrews 4 is about salvation rest, not Saturday rest.**

Hebrews 4:
never mentions Saturday,
never mentions the seventh day command,
never tells Christians to keep Sabbath,
never ties the Sabbath to the New Covenant.

Hebrews 4 uses:
God’s rest (Gen 2:2)
Joshua’s rest
David’s rest
Christ’s rest
to show that the true Sabbath is salvation, not a day.

Hebrews 4:10: “He who has entered His rest has ceased from his works.”
That is conversion, not calendar.

Hebrews 4:11: “Let us labor to enter that rest.”
That is faith, not Saturday.

Your reading forces Hebrews to contradict Paul, who explicitly says: “Let no one judge you regarding Sabbaths.” (Col 2:16)
“One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike.” (Rom 14:5)
Hebrews 4 is not a Sabbath command.
It is a gospel sermon.

“The New Covenant is the same law written in our hearts.”
False — Hebrews says the opposite.**

Hebrews 8:13: “By calling this covenant ‘new,’ He has made the first obsolete.”
The Ten Commandments were:
the tablets of the covenant (Deut 9:9)
the foundation of Sinai (Ex 34:28)
When the covenant ends, its legal structure ends.

The New Covenant is:
not Sinai,
not tablets,
not the Ten Commandments,
not the Sabbath,
not the Mosaic law.

It is:

Christ’s blood,
Christ’s priesthood,
Christ’s Spirit,
Christ’s law of love.
The law written on the heart is Christ’s law, not Moses’ law.

Every claim in that argument is false:

  • Mark 2:27 does not universalize the Sabbath.
  • Adam never kept Sabbath.
  • “Remember” does not imply pre‑Sinai observance.
  • The Sabbath is the sign of the Sinai covenant, not creation.
  • Hebrews 4 does not command Sabbath keeping.
  • The New Covenant is not the Ten Commandments written on hearts.
  • The Sinai covenant is obsolete (Heb 8:13).
  • Therefore its sign — the Sabbath — is obsolete.
The Sabbath was for Israel under Moses, not for the Church under Christ.
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You (like others I have spoken with) keep leaving verse 4 out of the context in Heb 4:1-11. This way you can redefine the entire text to mean something different than what it actually says.
"For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works."
Shows exactly that this text (verses 1-11) is speaking of the 7th day sabbath and points to the 4th commandment as well as the 1st week of creation.
Verse 9 the word "rest" is actually "sabbatismos" in the original Greek. An obvious reference to the 7th day sabbath.
Verse 8 shows Jesus NEVER spoke of any other day as a day of rest.
Verse 10 shows we rest on the 7th day from our works because God rested on the 7th day from His works
Yes. Verse 11 is a direct command to keep the 7th day sabbath and if you don't you will fall into unbelief.
"Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief."

Here's the faith part. We worship the Creator BECAUSE He is our Creator. He created our world in 6 days and rested on the 7th day. So we are commanded to keep that in remembrance in our daily lives. We work 6 days and rest the 7th day as per the commandment.

Look at it another way:
The 4th (sabbath) commandment is the ONLY ONE OF THE TEN that actually tells us which God has given this law. Our Creator (Exo 20:11). The other 9 do not say.
Any pagan religion/nation can have good moral laws concerning murder, theft, adultery, worshiping other gods besides their own but without that 7th day sabbath of rest the Creator is not there. Now any ole god will do.
There's the faith. Do you worship our Creator? Or do you even know which god you worship if you do not keep the 7th day sabbath?
It's what sets our Creator apart from those other so called gods that cannot even turn dust into a mouse.

Yes, as Christians, we worship God every day, work, rest, play, meal times. But working our secular jobs 6 days out of the week usually prohibits us from worshiping in a group (especially for those who enjoy the country life). But having a day off on Saturdays from our chosen fields of work gives opportunity to assemble as a group for communal worship.....

You see; there is nothing in the 4th commandment about worship. It's all about physical labor in our chosen lines of work for 6 days and resting on the 7th. Nothing about sacrifices, redemption or salvation either....
 
OMC said:
  • Mark 2:27 does not universalize Sabbath.
  • Matthew 24:20 is about Jewish travel restrictions, not Christian law.
  • Hebrews 4:9 is salvation rest, not Saturday.
  • Genesis never commands Adam to keep Sabbath.
  • “Remember” does not imply pre‑Sinai observance.
  • The Sabbath is the sign of the Sinai covenant.
  • The Sinai covenant is obsolete (Heb 8:13).
The Sabbath was for Israel under Moses, not for the Church under Christ.
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How does Mark 2: 27 not universalize the sabbath?

Mar 2:27-28
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

The sabbath was an issue..

The pharisees thought Jesus was doing wrong but they had by tradition prevented the law.

JESUS WAS PERFECT.
He perfectly obeyed the sabbath.

He was Lord of the Sabbath.

He could easily have said the sabbath was made for Jews but He said it was made for mankind..
 
Davidstarr said:
You (like others I have spoken with) keep leaving verse 4 out of the context in Heb 4:1-11. This way you can redefine the entire text to mean something different than what it actually says.
"For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works."
Shows exactly that this text (verses 1-11) is speaking of the 7th day sabbath and points to the 4th commandment as well as the 1st week of creation.
Verse 9 the word "rest" is actually "sabbatismos" in the original Greek. An obvious reference to the 7th day sabbath.
Verse 8 shows Jesus NEVER spoke of any other day as a day of rest.
Verse 10 shows we rest on the 7th day from our works because God rested on the 7th day from His works
Yes. Verse 11 is a direct command to keep the 7th day sabbath and if you don't you will fall into unbelief.
"Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief."

Here's the faith part. We worship the Creator BECAUSE He is our Creator. He created our world in 6 days and rested on the 7th day. So we are commanded to keep that in remembrance in our daily lives. We work 6 days and rest the 7th day as per the commandment.

Look at it another way:
The 4th (sabbath) commandment is the ONLY ONE OF THE TEN that actually tells us which God has given this law. Our Creator (Exo 20:11). The other 9 do not say.
Any pagan religion/nation can have good moral laws concerning murder, theft, adultery, worshiping other gods besides their own but without that 7th day sabbath of rest the Creator is not there. Now any ole god will do.
There's the faith. Do you worship our Creator? Or do you even know which god you worship if you do not keep the 7th day sabbath?
It's what sets our Creator apart from those other so called gods that cannot even turn dust into a mouse.

Yes, as Christians, we worship God every day, work, rest, play, meal times. But working our secular jobs 6 days out of the week usually prohibits us from worshiping in a group (especially for those who enjoy the country life). But having a day off on Saturdays from our chosen fields of work gives opportunity to assemble as a group for communal worship.....

You see; there is nothing in the 4th commandment about worship. It's all about physical labor in our chosen lines of work for 6 days and resting on the 7th. Nothing about sacrifices, redemption or salvation either..
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Hebrews 4:4 mentions the seventh day — but only as an analogy.
Heb 4:4: “For he spoke somewhere of the seventh day in this way…”
The author quotes Genesis 2:2 not to command Sabbath‑keeping, but to show:
God has a rest.
Israel failed to enter it.
We must enter it by faith.
The seventh day is the model, not the command.

Hebrews 4:9 — sabbatismos does NOT mean “keep the seventh‑day Sabbath.”
Heb 4:9: “There remains a sabbatismos for the people of God.”
Greek: σαββατισμός (sabbatismos)** = God’s rest, Sabbath‑like rest, the ultimate rest
NOT the weekly Sabbath command
NOT the seventh day
NOT the fourth commandment

Every major lexicon agrees:
BDAG: “a participation in God’s rest”
Thayer: “the eternal blessedness in which God dwells”
Louw‑Nida: “the rest of salvation”
If the author meant “keep Saturday,” he would have used σάββατον (sabbaton), the normal word for the weekly Sabbath.

He didn’t.

Hebrews 4:10 proves this is salvation rest, not Saturday rest.
Heb 4:10: “He who has entered His rest has ceased from his works…”
This is conversion, not calendar.

It parallels:
Romans 4:5 — cease from works
Ephesians 2:8–9 — not by works
Hebrews 10:12 — Christ sat down, work finished
Hebrews 4:10 is about ceasing from works‑righteousness, not ceasing from physical labor on Saturday.

Hebrews 4:11 is a command to enter salvation — not a command to keep Saturday.
Heb 4:11: “Let us labor to enter that rest…”
This is a command to:
believe,
persevere,
trust Christ,
avoid unbelief.

Not:
keep the seventh day,
obey the fourth commandment,
follow Mosaic calendar law.
The “example of unbelief” is Israel refusing to trust God, not Israel failing to keep Sabbath.

Hebrews 4:8 destroys the “Saturday command” interpretation.
Heb 4:8: “If Joshua had given them rest…”
Joshua did give Israel the land.Joshua did give Israel the Sabbath.

Yet Hebrews says: That was not the real rest.
If the weekly Sabbath were the point, Joshua did give it.
But Hebrews says Joshua did not give the true rest.

Therefore Hebrews 4 is not about the weekly Sabbath.

Hebrews 4 is a sermon about salvation, not a calendar law.
The structure:
vv.1–3 — enter God’s rest by faith
v.4 — God’s rest modeled in creation
vv.5–7 — Israel failed to enter
v.8 — Joshua didn’t give the true rest
v.9 — a sabbatismos remains
v.10 — cease from works
v.11 — strive to enter salvation

Not once does the author:

mention the fourth commandment
mention Saturday
mention the weekly Sabbath
command Sabbath‑keeping
tie this to Mosaic law
You are importing Exodus 20 into Hebrews 4.
The author is preaching Christ, not calendar.

  • Heb 4:4 mentions the seventh day as an analogy, not a command.
  • Sabbatismos (v.9) = God’s salvation rest, not Saturday.
  • Heb 4:10 = ceasing from works‑righteousness, not ceasing from labor.
  • Heb 4:11 = enter salvation, not “keep the Sabbath.”
  • Heb 4:8 proves the weekly Sabbath is not the rest being discussed.
  • Hebrews 4 is a gospel sermon, not a Sabbath command.
 
OMC said:
Hebrews 4:4 mentions the seventh day — but only as an analogy.
Heb 4:4: “For he spoke somewhere of the seventh day in this way…”
The author quotes Genesis 2:2 not to command Sabbath‑keeping, but to show:
God has a rest.
Israel failed to enter it.
We must enter it by faith.
The seventh day is the model, not the command.

Hebrews 4:9 — sabbatismos does NOT mean “keep the seventh‑day Sabbath.”
Heb 4:9: “There remains a sabbatismos for the people of God.”
Greek: σαββατισμός (sabbatismos)** = God’s rest, Sabbath‑like rest, the ultimate rest
NOT the weekly Sabbath command
NOT the seventh day
NOT the fourth commandment

Every major lexicon agrees:
BDAG: “a participation in God’s rest”
Thayer: “the eternal blessedness in which God dwells”
Louw‑Nida: “the rest of salvation”
If the author meant “keep Saturday,” he would have used σάββατον (sabbaton), the normal word for the weekly Sabbath.

He didn’t.

Hebrews 4:10 proves this is salvation rest, not Saturday rest.
Heb 4:10: “He who has entered His rest has ceased from his works…”
This is conversion, not calendar.

It parallels:
Romans 4:5 — cease from works
Ephesians 2:8–9 — not by works
Hebrews 10:12 — Christ sat down, work finished
Hebrews 4:10 is about ceasing from works‑righteousness, not ceasing from physical labor on Saturday.

Hebrews 4:11 is a command to enter salvation — not a command to keep Saturday.
Heb 4:11: “Let us labor to enter that rest…”
This is a command to:
believe,
persevere,
trust Christ,
avoid unbelief.

Not:
keep the seventh day,
obey the fourth commandment,
follow Mosaic calendar law.
The “example of unbelief” is Israel refusing to trust God, not Israel failing to keep Sabbath.

Hebrews 4:8 destroys the “Saturday command” interpretation.
Heb 4:8: “If Joshua had given them rest…”
Joshua did give Israel the land.Joshua did give Israel the Sabbath.

Yet Hebrews says: That was not the real rest.
If the weekly Sabbath were the point, Joshua did give it.
But Hebrews says Joshua did not give the true rest.

Therefore Hebrews 4 is not about the weekly Sabbath.

Hebrews 4 is a sermon about salvation, not a calendar law.
The structure:
vv.1–3 — enter God’s rest by faith
v.4 — God’s rest modeled in creation
vv.5–7 — Israel failed to enter
v.8 — Joshua didn’t give the true rest
v.9 — a sabbatismos remains
v.10 — cease from works
v.11 — strive to enter salvation

Not once does the author:

mention the fourth commandment
mention Saturday
mention the weekly Sabbath
command Sabbath‑keeping
tie this to Mosaic law
You are importing Exodus 20 into Hebrews 4.
The author is preaching Christ, not calendar.

  • Heb 4:4 mentions the seventh day as an analogy, not a command.
  • Sabbatismos (v.9) = God’s salvation rest, not Saturday.
  • Heb 4:10 = ceasing from works‑righteousness, not ceasing from labor.
  • Heb 4:11 = enter salvation, not “keep the Sabbath.”
  • Heb 4:8 proves the weekly Sabbath is not the rest being discussed.
  • Hebrews 4 is a gospel sermon, not a Sabbath command.
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I never said Heb 4:4 was a command to keep the 7th day sabbath. You are deliberately being obtuse.
I said it shows the context of Heb 4:1-11 is talking about the 7th day sabbath.
Verse 11 is the command to keep it. Without the 7th day sabbath you have no way to tell which god you worship.
It is certainly NOT our Creator. You have rejected that one identifying mark in the law that shows He is our Creator.
You have fallen into unbelief just as Paul said you would.

So what can you hope for now?
A counterfeit god, sitting in a counterfeit temple with his own counterfeit day of rest which he calls his "mark of authority in religious matters"?
 
Inquisitor said:
The following verse nullifies the idea that Gentiles are under the law as Christians.

Galatians 5:18
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
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..... Not under the law.....

If you are lead by the Spirit will you ....

1. Have other gods before God?.
2. Make unto thee any graven image?.
3. Bow down thyself to any graven images or serve them?
4. Take the name of the LORD thy God in vain?
5. Forget the sabbath day, and not keep it holy?
6. kill?
7. commit adultery?
8. steal?
9. bear false witness against thy neighbour?
10. covet others things?

If you are lead by the Spirit you are not under the laws condemnation.

There is nothing that you are guilty of.

If you obey the traffic rules perfectly then you are not under the traffic laws because you are not guilty.
 
Davidstarr said:
Verse 11 is the command to keep it. Without the 7th day sabbath you have no way to tell which god you worship.
It is certainly NOT our Creator. You have rejected that one identifying mark in the law that shows He is our Creator.
You have fallen into unbelief just as Paul said you would
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If the author meant “keep the seventh‑day Sabbath,” he would have used σάββατον.He never does — not once in the entire chapter.
 
OMC said:
If the author meant “keep the seventh‑day Sabbath,” he would have used σάββατον.He never does — not once in the entire chapter.
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woulda, coulda shoulda.
irrelevant
"Let us labour" (in verse 11) is a phrase from the Greek. It means "endeavor with all our strength/might". It is a command from Paul to do our best to enter into the rest of the 7th day sabbath because that is what the text is talking about.
You are only attempting to deliberately cloud the issue by giving unwarranted redefinitions of the original languages in order to support your supposed "infallible" views.
You're Jesuit aren't you?
 
Davidstarr said:
woulda, coulda shoulda.
irrelevant
"Let us labour" (in verse 11) is a phrase from the Greek. It means "endeavor with all our strength/might". It is a command from Paul to do our best to enter into the rest of the 7th day sabbath because that is what the text is talking about.
You are only attempting to deliberately cloud the issue by giving unwarranted redefinitions of the original languages in order to support your supposed "infallible" views.
You're Jesuit aren't you?
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the issue isn’t “woulda, coulda, shoulda.” The issue is what the Greek actually says and what the author actually argues.
 
OMC said:
Hebrews 4:4 mentions the seventh day — but only as an analogy.
Heb 4:4: “For he spoke somewhere of the seventh day in this way…”
The author quotes Genesis 2:2 not to command Sabbath‑keeping, but to show:
God has a rest.
Israel failed to enter it.
We must enter it by faith.
The seventh day is the model, not the command.

Hebrews 4:9 — sabbatismos does NOT mean “keep the seventh‑day Sabbath.”
Heb 4:9: “There remains a sabbatismos for the people of God.”
Greek: σαββατισμός (sabbatismos)** = God’s rest, Sabbath‑like rest, the ultimate rest
NOT the weekly Sabbath command
NOT the seventh day
NOT the fourth commandment

Every major lexicon agrees:
BDAG: “a participation in God’s rest”
Thayer: “the eternal blessedness in which God dwells”
Louw‑Nida: “the rest of salvation”
If the author meant “keep Saturday,” he would have used σάββατον (sabbaton), the normal word for the weekly Sabbath.

He didn’t.

Hebrews 4:10 proves this is salvation rest, not Saturday rest.
Heb 4:10: “He who has entered His rest has ceased from his works…”
This is conversion, not calendar.

It parallels:
Romans 4:5 — cease from works
Ephesians 2:8–9 — not by works
Hebrews 10:12 — Christ sat down, work finished
Hebrews 4:10 is about ceasing from works‑righteousness, not ceasing from physical labor on Saturday.

Hebrews 4:11 is a command to enter salvation — not a command to keep Saturday.
Heb 4:11: “Let us labor to enter that rest…”
This is a command to:
believe,
persevere,
trust Christ,
avoid unbelief.

Not:
keep the seventh day,
obey the fourth commandment,
follow Mosaic calendar law.
The “example of unbelief” is Israel refusing to trust God, not Israel failing to keep Sabbath.

Hebrews 4:8 destroys the “Saturday command” interpretation.
Heb 4:8: “If Joshua had given them rest…”
Joshua did give Israel the land.Joshua did give Israel the Sabbath.

Yet Hebrews says: That was not the real rest.
If the weekly Sabbath were the point, Joshua did give it.
But Hebrews says Joshua did not give the true rest.

Therefore Hebrews 4 is not about the weekly Sabbath.

Hebrews 4 is a sermon about salvation, not a calendar law.
The structure:
vv.1–3 — enter God’s rest by faith
v.4 — God’s rest modeled in creation
vv.5–7 — Israel failed to enter
v.8 — Joshua didn’t give the true rest
v.9 — a sabbatismos remains
v.10 — cease from works
v.11 — strive to enter salvation

Not once does the author:

mention the fourth commandment
mention Saturday
mention the weekly Sabbath
command Sabbath‑keeping
tie this to Mosaic law
You are importing Exodus 20 into Hebrews 4.
The author is preaching Christ, not calendar.

  • Heb 4:4 mentions the seventh day as an analogy, not a command.
  • Sabbatismos (v.9) = God’s salvation rest, not Saturday.
  • Heb 4:10 = ceasing from works‑righteousness, not ceasing from labor.
  • Heb 4:11 = enter salvation, not “keep the Sabbath.”
  • Heb 4:8 proves the weekly Sabbath is not the rest being discussed.
  • Hebrews 4 is a gospel sermon, not a Sabbath command.
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I do not question the rest and salvation found in Jesus.

You do not mention the last part of verse 10.

Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Reason please use some logic.

Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest. = Christs rest, the rest that Christ gives...

"he also hath ceased from his own works," = he Also has ceased... this is different to the rest in Christ. If you have entered the rest found in Christ you will have already given all your problems to Jesus. YOU ALREADY HAVE REST in Christ, But this says ALSO CEASED from your own works.

But Don't miss the last part of the verse.

AS God did from His.

Cease your works as God ceased His works.

How did God cease His works.?

The only answer is as God rested on the sabbath.

as God did from his. = the sabbath rest.

Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, (Christ's rest) he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his (sabbath rest).

Those that rest in Christ obey Christ.

The Lord of the Sabbath.
 
OMC said:
the issue isn’t “woulda, coulda, shoulda.” The issue is what the Greek actually says and what the author actually argues.
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Why did Paul change the word used so many times before....

Rest... G2663
Original: κατάπαυσις
Thayer Definition:
a putting to rest
calming of the winds
a resting place
metaphorically the heavenly blessedness in which God dwells, and ....

But for verse 9 Paul choose the word.
Rest... G4520
Original: σαββατισμός
Thayer Definition: A keeping sabbath.

Why change the word here in verse 9.?
 
OMC said:
the issue isn’t “woulda, coulda, shoulda.” The issue is what the Greek actually says and what the author actually argues.
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That's what I have been saying. The original Greek says this rest in Heb 4:1-11 is the 7th day sabbath. Verse 4 identifies this rest as the 7th day sabbath.
All 11 verses have to coincide with each other (including verse 4) or your interpretation is false.
 
TMS said:
I do not question the rest and salvation found in Jesus.

You do not mention the last part of verse 10.

Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Reason please use some logic.

Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest. = Christs rest, the rest that Christ gives...

"he also hath ceased from his own works," = he Also has ceased... this is different to the rest in Christ. If you have entered the rest found in Christ you will have already given all your problems to Jesus. YOU ALREADY HAVE REST in Christ, But this says ALSO CEASED from your own works.

But Don't miss the last part of the verse.

AS God did from His.

Cease your works as God ceased His works.

How did God cease His works.?

The only answer is as God rested on the sabbath.

as God did from his. = the sabbath rest.

Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, (Christ's rest) he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his (sabbath rest).

Those that rest in Christ obey Christ.

The Lord of the Sabbath
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You’re reading the verse carefully, which I respect—that “as God did from his” clause is exactly where the tension sits.

1. The structure of Hebrews 4:10

Hebrews 4:10: “For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.”
You’re breaking it into:
“entered into his rest” = Christ’s rest
“also ceased from his own works” = something extra
“as God did from his” = Sabbath rest

But the author is doing something simpler: The one who enters God’s rest ceases from his works in the same way God ceased from His.
It’s one picture, not two different rests.

2. What “works” means in Hebrews
In Hebrews, “works” is consistently tied to:
dead works (Heb 6:1; 9:14)
self‑effort under law
trying to attain righteousness by doing

So: Entering God’s rest =stopping from self‑righteous works, just as God stopped from His creative works.
It’s a salvation contrast, not a calendar command.

“As God did from His” = analogy, not law
“As God did from His” points back to Genesis 2:
God finished His work
God rested
His rest becomes the pattern
Hebrews uses that pattern to say: Just like God stopped, you stop trying to earn righteousness—and enter His finished work in Christ.
It does not say: “Therefore, keep the seventh‑day Sabbath.”
The text never makes that jump.

  • “Entered into his rest” = salvation rest in Christ.
  • “Ceased from his own works” = stop trying to earn righteousness.
  • “As God did from his” = analogy to God’s finished creation work, not a Sabbath command.
  • Hebrews 4:10 is about trusting a finished work, not adding a calendar obligation.
 
TMS said:
Why did Paul change the word used so many times before....

Rest... G2663
Original: κατάπαυσις
Thayer Definition:
a putting to rest
calming of the winds
a resting place
metaphorically the heavenly blessedness in which God dwells, and ....

But for verse 9 Paul choose the word.
Rest... G4520
Original: σαββατισμός
Thayer Definition: A keeping sabbath.

Why change the word here in verse 9.?
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Just like in verse 4 the text (1-11) is talking about the 7th day sabbath of rest from our 6 day work week.
 
TMS said:
Why did Paul change the word used so many times before....

Rest... G2663
Original: κατάπαυσις
Thayer Definition:
a putting to rest
calming of the winds
a resting place
metaphorically the heavenly blessedness in which God dwells, and ....

But for verse 9 Paul choose the word.
Rest... G4520
Original: σαββατισμός
Thayer Definition: A keeping sabbath.

Why change the word here in verse 9.?
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Paul (or the author) changes the word because he changes the point
Up to verse 8, the author is talking about entering God’s rest:

κατάπαυσις = God’s rest, God’s stopping, God’s repose
Used repeatedly in Hebrews 3–4
Always refers to God’s rest, not the weekly Sabbath
But in verse 9, he shifts to a different idea: “There remains therefore a sabbatismos for the people of God.”
Why the shift?

Because he is no longer talking about God’s rest, but about our participation in a rest that is like God’s.
 
OMC said:
You’re reading the verse carefully, which I respect—that “as God did from his” clause is exactly where the tension sits.

1. The structure of Hebrews 4:10

Hebrews 4:10: “For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.”
You’re breaking it into:
“entered into his rest” = Christ’s rest
“also ceased from his own works” = something extra
“as God did from his” = Sabbath rest

But the author is doing something simpler: The one who enters God’s rest ceases from his works in the same way God ceased from His.
It’s one picture, not two different rests.

2. What “works” means in Hebrews
In Hebrews, “works” is consistently tied to:
dead works (Heb 6:1; 9:14)
self‑effort under law
trying to attain righteousness by doing

So: Entering God’s rest =stopping from self‑righteous works, just as God stopped from His creative works.
It’s a salvation contrast, not a calendar command.

“As God did from His” = analogy, not law
“As God did from His” points back to Genesis 2:
God finished His work
God rested
His rest becomes the pattern
Hebrews uses that pattern to say: Just like God stopped, you stop trying to earn righteousness—and enter His finished work in Christ.
It does not say: “Therefore, keep the seventh‑day Sabbath.”
The text never makes that jump.

  • “Entered into his rest” = salvation rest in Christ.
  • “Ceased from his own works” = stop trying to earn righteousness.
  • “As God did from his” = analogy to God’s finished creation work, not a Sabbath command.
  • Hebrews 4:10 is about trusting a finished work, not adding a calendar obligation.
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Again you ignore verse 4. Taking the 7th day of rest our of the context of verses 1-11 is the ONLY way you can redefine the text to mean something else.
My guess is you already know verse 11 is a direct command in the NT to keep the 7th day sabbath. This is why you refuse to acknowledge that verse 4 is in the text.
 
Davidstarr said:
Again you ignore verse 4. Taking the 7th day of rest our of the context of verses 1-11 is the ONLY way you can redefine the text to mean something else.
My guess is you already know verse 11 is a direct command in the NT to keep the 7th day sabbath. This is why you refuse to acknowledge that verse 4 is in the text
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Hebrews 4:4: “For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.”
That verse:
anchors the argument in God’s creation rest
shows God has a real, completed rest
provides the pattern for the “rest” the chapter is talking about

But the author never says: “Therefore, keep the seventh day.”
He says: “Therefore, enter that rest.” (vv. 3, 10, 11)
Verse 4 is illustration, not command.
 
OMC said:
But the author is doing something simpler: The one who enters God’s rest ceases from his works in the same way God ceased from His.
It’s one picture, not two different rests.
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If that is true.
" As God ceased from His".... God never rested in the salvation of Christ.
God never ceased from any works other then the works of creation. There is no other time or illustration of God ceasing from works and resting other then the creation week.

The point that defines what works we should cease from is the example "as God did".

This is just one verse

There are many more

And if you are willing there are some wonderful real life miracles that prove the sabbath is still important today.

Most people are not willing to see the light.
 
TMS said:
If that is true.
" As God ceased from His".... God never rested in the salvation of Christ.
God never ceased from any works other then the works of creation. There is no other time or illustration of God ceasing from works and resting other then the creation week.

The point that defines what works we should cease from is the example "as God did".

This is just one verse

There are many more

And if you are willing there are some wonderful real life miracles that prove the sabbath is still important today.

Most people are not willing to see the light
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You are correct in one narrow sense:God never “rested” in the salvation of Christ. The only explicit “ceasing” of divine works in Scripture is indeed the completion of creation.

But hear me carefully:

The author of Hebrews is not building a doctrine of Sabbath‑keeping from that phrase. He is building a doctrine of entering God’s rest, and he uses the creation rest as the pattern, not the command.
The text itself forces this distinction.
 
If you want to see an interesting documentary about the sabbath.


Or this one.


These are true stories. Look them up.

 
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