Are you a monergist or a synergist?

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Which are you? Please vote only once and simply add 1 to the current total for what you choose.

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  • Monergist Total = 0 Synergist Total = 0

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PennEd said:
EVERY one He draws WILL come to Jesus, and no one can come to Him unless the Father draws Him.

Seems like ballgame to me.

John 6
37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.

44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me.
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lol..

Again, ok

God chose you. but is just sending millions to hell. and never even give them the opportunity

again, This is not a God of love.

I agree, I can not come unless God drawms me

Not everyone he draws will come.

Many are called few are chosen
 
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John 3​

8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
lol..

Again, ok

God chose you. but is just sending millions to hell. and never even give them the opportunity

again, This is not a God of love.

I agree, I can not come unless God drawms me

Not everyone he draws will come.

Many are called few are chosen
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Yes and those words were directed to His disciples it is not about the plan of salvation for humanity..but of course people who

push conditional election (God chooses and the others are left in their sins, not enabled to believe, cause God has to flip the switch first)

have their standard verses used over and over, out of context I might add.
 
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Cameron143 said:
I agree that in salvation, the entire man is redeemed. But if body, soul, and spirit need redeeming, then each facet of man must in some way be corrupted. Otherwise, one or more facets of the individual would not need redeeming. You stated earlier that when the flesh and soul are dead, they can no longer resist and the spirit is free to stop resisting and cooperate with the Spirit. However, the spirit actually needs to be quickened to relate to the Spirit.

Do you see my point? If the flesh and soul must die, the quickening of God in salvation must be the quickening of the spirit.

This is why I asked you about prevenient grace before. Those who believe in prevenient grace say God withholds the flesh...in your scenario, flesh and soul...which allows man the freedom to choose to respond to God or reject Him. This seems to me to be similar to what you are saying.

I still don't understand how you understand how an individual goes from his fallen natural estate to being saved or what role God plays in it and what role man has in it.
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The redemption of the spirit is required not because it lacks anything but, rather, it is disconnected to from the Spirit of God. This is accomplished by resisting the Spirit of God because that's the connection: spirit to Spirit. Man's spirit is quickened when man (to illustrate a point) "gets out of the way".

Man is permitted to judge his own life to be dead.

"Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin... Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace."

This is accomplished when man stops believing that everything for a full life is within his ability to create or find. No: Creation testifies to a different reality: that God IS and that a full life can only be found in Him. Man does not know this before the quickening of his spirit. He only knows that his life is unable to be full in his own strength.

This is the "pride of life" stirred up by the enemy: a false sense of self-actualization. To continue in the delusion man must ignore the evidence seen in creation. Willful, intentional ignorance is active unbelief. It takes a lot of personal effort to remain in unbelief. That is why "atheism" is a fiction created by the enemy. In truth, the witness of God can be naturally perceived by unredeemed man. Claiming atheism is an additional lie to insulate man from the truth God arranged in the world that testifies of Him.
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
lol..

Again, ok

God chose you. but is just sending millions to hell. and never even give them the opportunity

again, This is not a God of love.

I agree, I can not come unless God drawms me

Not everyone he draws will come.

Many are called few are chosen
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Yes.

Man may also "draw back".

"Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him."
 
Everlasting-Grace said:
lol..

Again, ok

God chose you. but is just sending millions to hell. and never even give them the opportunity

again, This is not a God of love.

I agree, I can not come unless God drawms me

Not everyone he draws will come.

Many are called few are chosen
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Depends on how you look at it. The Bible says that everyone deserves hell. So if God chooses to save some, how is that not a God of love?

Did Jesus say we can't come, or did he say we won't come? Big difference.
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
lol..

Again, ok

God chose you. but is just sending millions to hell. and never even give them the opportunity

again, This is not a God of love.

I agree, I can not come unless God drawms me

Not everyone he draws will come.

Many are called few are chosen
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I mean, you didn’t deal with the unambiguous text.

Jesus says only the Father can draw someone to Jesus, and only those drawn are His.
Further, EVERYONE God draws WILL be saved and Jesus won’t lose a single one.
 
HeIsHere said:
Do you have a scripture that states this exactly?
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Yep.

Ephesians 2
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By Grace Through Faith​

2 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.
 
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Roger316 said:
Depends on how you look at it. The Bible says that everyone deserves hell. So if God chooses to save some, how is that not a God of love?

Did Jesus say we can't come, or did he say we won't come? Big difference.
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No Jesus did not say this

But fatalists do.. those who go to hell were not choses. so they can not come
 
PennEd said:
I mean, you didn’t deal with the unambiguous text.

Jesus says only the Father can draw someone to Jesus, and only those drawn are His.
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and I never said otherwise.

PennEd said:
Further, EVERYONE God draws WILL be saved and Jesus won’t lose a single one.
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Actually it says those who believe will never be lost (wait see and believe)

You have to ignore alot of scripture to show God did not give a choice and force people to chose.
 
Roger316 said:
John 3:18. Jesus tells Nicodemus that those who believe are not judged while those who don't believe are judged already.
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Well maybe read the verses before and after.
And you will notice the the word κρίνεται can also be translated as "judgement" ... depends on the context.
I see no mention of hell, nor deserving.
Many times Jesus is speaking about temporal judgement not eternal.... in context this makes far more sense.
 
Roger316 said:
John 3:18. Jesus tells Nicodemus that those who believe are not judged while those who don't believe are judged already.
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They are judged *already.*

Why?

Because God was drawing them, and they rejected it.

Just like these fools were being drawn and then rejected.


The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness
and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since
what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain
to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal
power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what
has been made, so that people are without excuse.

For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him,
but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.






Romans 1:18-21
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
No Jesus did not say this

But fatalists do.. those who go to hell were not choses. so they can not come
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You need to look at the larger picture, which most people miss entirely. Salvation isn't about us; God the Father isn't saving us for our own sake. No. God is saving us for his Son's sake. Those whom God saves will be his subjects and serve him when he returns. This is why Jesus says, John 6:37.

“All that the Father gives me will come to me, and the one who comes to me I will by no means cast out.”
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Get it? We don't chose God he chooses us and those whom he chooses will be the subjects of King Jesus. The Father gives US to HIM.

This statement sits inside Jesus’ Bread of Life discourse (John 6:22–59), where He explains that the Father’s giving and the believer’s coming are inseparable realities. The Father’s gift of people to the Son guarantees their coming; the Son’s reception of them guarantees their security.

The Gospel is not Fatalistic because we are chosen to serve his purpose and to do his will. Bottom line. Period.
 
Roger316 said:
You need to look at the larger picture, which most people miss entirely. Salvation isn't about us; God the Father isn't saving us for our own sake. No. God is saving us for his Son's sake. Those whom God saves will be his subjects and serve him when he returns. This is why Jesus says, John 6:37.


Get it? We don't chose God he chooses us and those whom he chooses will be the subjects of King Jesus. The Father gives US to HIM.
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please show wheree I said I chose God.

I am sick and tired of being told I say something I have never said.

in fact. I do not know anyone who says they chose God.. The only time I aven here this is from a calvinist. or reformed person
Roger316 said:
This statement sits inside Jesus’ Bread of Life discourse (John 6:22–59), where He explains that the Father’s giving and the believer’s coming are inseparable realities. The Father’s gift of people to the Son guarantees their coming; the Son’s reception of them guarantees their security.

The Gospel is not Fatalistic because we are chosen to serve his purpose and to do his will. Bottom line. Period.
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The fatalistic gospel says God chose some, and he did not chose others.

based on nothing other than that God chose one person over another.
 
Roger316 said:
Get it? We don't chose God he chooses us and those whom he chooses will be the subjects of King Jesus. The Father gives US to HIM.
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He is now choosing a bride for his son.

Choosing only those who will pass what is required by God, which God alone knows by how we react or respond while being drawn.
 
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