That's not what Ephesians 2:1 teaches. It says we were quickened when we were dead in trespasses and sins. Romans 5:10 say we were reconciled to God when we were enemies with God.
Are you a monergist or a synergist?
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“God will not force sinners to receive His gift; they must satisfy His condition of faith through wanting to have it.”
The problem with that statement is that Jesus explicitly denies it: He says no one can come unless the Father draws him, and that all whom the Father draws will come and will be raised on the last day — meaning faith is not a human condition we satisfy but a divine gift God gives.
If salvation depended on “wanting it,” then Jesus’ words about human inability (“no one can come”) would be false, Paul’s statement that faith is “not of yourselves” would be false, and the Spirit’s role in giving life (“the flesh profits nothing”) would be meaningless.
The entire point of John 6 is that believing, coming, receiving, drinking, and eating are Spirit‑produced responses, not human‑initiated choices.
God does not “force” anyone — He creates faith in the heart of the one He calls, just as He opened Lydia’s heart, granted repentance to the Gentiles, and appointed eternal life to those who believed in Acts 13:48. If sinners must “satisfy a condition,” salvation becomes a cooperative contract; Jesus presents it as a miracle of sovereign grace. The gift is received because God gives the ability to receive it — not because the sinner must generate the desire on his own.
The creation of those empires was the work of God. Reread Daniel 7:2...the four winds of heaven strove upon the great sea. As a result of this, four great beasts came up from the sea...Daniel 7:3. Verse 2 led directly to what happened in verse 3.
There is always the working of God in the spiritual realm impacting that which occurs in the natural realm. Do you genuinely believe that God is not at work in the world? Continue reading the chapter. Beginning at verse 9, God gives us a glimpse of that spiritual realm and what was transpiring there.
God created those 4 kingdoms and then brought them to naught as the kingdom of God began to grow and flourish and consume the others...Daniel 2:44-45.
But you just hurt your own testimony. as non of those passages say anything about human initiating anything, and neither did I.
So your making a statment based on a false precept you have been tought, and not what anyone actually believes
Yes it is an guarantee.
and you need to read the whole text.. Who does the father give? Those who see and believe
No it does not say that. It says we cannot come unless we are drawn.. Not everyone he draws believes..
No I never gave a list of requirments
I gave a list of how we are saved.
for by Grace I have been saved THROUGH FAITH
the list I gave is jesus showing us what this faith looks like.
Spoken like a true calvinist.
Now lets look to the word of God and see what God says
Yes, it does. By Grace we have been saved.
he then in verse 8 explains what that means
for it is by grace we have been saved through faith
we recieve that gift of being made alive when we recieve the gift of Grace in faith.
lol..
Babylon had free will. they did what they wanted to do.
God did not force them to do anything,
And he punished them after, because they were guilty
if there is no free will. we can not be held accountable for a sin we did not do on our own.. but were forced to do by a God..
That is the problem with the doctrine of determinism, it becomes all or nothing.
There is no Good News unless it is personal... that includes Christ Jesus died for you.
You can never stay on topic. The post has nothing to do with freewill. God clearly teaches that He acted and those kingdoms arose and were put down through His behest and activity. He acts sovereignly. He does His will in the armies of heaven and amongst the inhabitants of the earth, and none can stay His hand...Daniel 4:35.
I really don't understand why Christians run from the clear revelation of scripture.
Did the Sabeans that God allowed Satan to use to attack and kill Job’s servants have free will ?
What I posted on another thread applies here:
The problematic part of tulipism is that if God/Love (John 3:16, 1John 4:7) were going to create faith, He would do so in everyone.
Otherwise, there is no way to avoid the heresy of implying God hates or disfavors those without faith (Rom. 2:6-11).
The solution is to harmonize relevant Scriptures. For example, John 6:44 says no one can come unless the Father draws,
and John 12:32 says Jesus will draw all.
Another example, 1Cor. 2:14 says the natural man cannot receive the things of the Spirit, and 1Tim. 2:3-4 says it is God's will for all to learn the truth and be saved.
The consistent pattern can be stated thusly: God initiates/offers grace (Eph. 2:8a);
sinners may cooperate/through (IF) faith (Eph. 2:8b)--or not (Deut. 30:19, Matt. 23:37, Rom. 2:4-5).
Beware the most false/heretical teaching on CC!
Although Jesus willingly laid down His life and no one had the power to take it from Him apart from His own consent, the instrumental cause of His death was undeniably human action. He did not die in a fire rescuing a child, nor in a flood saving a family; He died because human beings—acting in unbelief, fear, and injustice—condemned Him and executed Him. That is precisely Paul’s point: you cannot understand the cross apart from the manner of His death. The entire arc of the gospel event—His death, burial, resurrection, and ascension—is the demonstration of God’s righteousness. His death exposes the depth of human sin; His resurrection reveals the depth of God’s justice; and His ascension and exaltation show that no human verdict can thwart God’s power to give life, meaning, and purpose to His Son and to all who follow Him.
No. It was a covenant between a Father and a son. The only rule was "Do what I tell you". This was the same covenant between Jesus and God the Father. Jesus "only did what He saw the Father doing". As the last Adam, Jesus was able to secure man;s place with God for all who receive Him.
God's spirit in man cannot be corrupted. It can only be disconnected from God who gave it. Indeed, all men start in this condition save, perhaps, John the Baptist, who leaped in in mother's belly when the advent of Christ was announced.
You have two choices.
1. God put leaders in place and allowed them to use their own free will to do what he needs
2. God puts them in place and has them do what he needs (no free will)
there i no third option.
I am on topic my friend..
I do not know. why do you run from the truth of scripture?
Faith literally really is not a thing.
Again, I like pauls explaination usign abraham to show what saving faith looks like
What is faith?
1. contrary to hope. in hope do we believe?
2. do we not waver at the promise to undbelief, but are we strengthened in faith giving God the glory?
3. are we fully convinced that what God promised, he can fulfill?
Abraham was.
Rom 4
18 who, contrary to hope, in hope believed
20 He did not waver at the promise of God through unbelief, but was strengthened in faith, giving glory to God,
21 and being fully convinced that what He had promised He was also able to perform.
and because of it. God imputed, or accounted to him, to him as righteousness.
He was justified based on this confident faith.. faith caused the action of recieving
I can not boast because I recieved a gift.. Nor could he, when he recieved the gift.