Are you a monergist or a synergist?

Everlasting-Grace said:

Faith literally really is not a thing.

Again, I like pauls explaination usign abraham to show what saving faith looks like

What is faith?
1. contrary to hope. in hope do we believe?
2. do we not waver at the promise to undbelief, but are we strengthened in faith giving God the glory?
3. are we fully convinced that what God promised, he can fulfill?

Abraham was.

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18 who, contrary to hope, in hope believed

20 He did not waver at the promise of God through unbelief, but was strengthened in faith, giving glory to God,

21 and being fully convinced that what He had promised He was also able to perform.

and because of it. God imputed, or accounted to him, to him as righteousness.

He was justified based on this confident faith.. faith caused the action of recieving

I can not boast because I recieved a gift.. Nor could he, when he recieved the gift

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Faith is not “a thing” floating in the air, nor a mystical substance God hands out; in Scripture, faith is simply God‑enabled trust in God’s self‑revelation, and Paul uses Abraham precisely to show that saving faith is not a human achievement but a Spirit‑produced persuasion. Abraham’s “contrary to hope, in hope believed,” his “not wavering,” and his “being fully convinced” are not psychological feats he generated — Paul explicitly says this persuasion came from God’s promise itself (Rom 4:17–21) and later says that faith is God’s gift (Phil 1:29; Eph 2:8–9). Abraham did not create faith; God spoke, and Abraham was persuaded. That persuasion — not the act of believing — was “accounted to him as righteousness,” meaning righteousness was imputed because of the object of faith (God’s promise), not the quality of Abraham’s believing. If Abraham’s faith were a humanly generated condition that caused justification, Paul’s entire argument in Romans 4 collapses, because he insists repeatedly that justification is “apart from works,” “not of him who wills,” “not of him who runs,” and “to the one who does not work but believes.” Faith is the empty hand receiving a gift, not the cause that activates the gift. Abraham could not boast because he did not contribute anything — he simply trusted the God who “gives life to the dead and calls into existence the things that do not exist.” Faith is not a thing; God is the thing, and faith is the God‑given persuasion that He will do what He promised.

Aaron56 said:

God's spirit in man cannot be corrupted. It can only be disconnected from God who gave it. Indeed, all men start in this condition save, perhaps, John the Baptist, who leaped in in mother's belly when the advent of Christ was announced.

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The corruption of the spirit of man is the reason we disagree on what must occur in man to be saved. I disagree that the spirit of man did not undergo a change as a result of sin.

Everlasting-Grace said:

You have two choices.

1. God put leaders in place and allowed them to use their own free will to do what he needs
2. God puts them in place and has them do what he needs (no free will)

there i no third option.

I am on topic my friend..

I do not know. why do you run from the truth of scripture?

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Grace and peace.

Cameron143 said:

The corruption of the spirit of man is the reason we disagree on what must occur in man to be saved. I disagree that the spirit of man did not undergo a change as a result of sin

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The spirit of man did undergo a real change in the fall; Scripture never treats the human spirit as intact, neutral, or merely misdirected. The fall produced a spirit that is dead (Eph 2:1), unable (1 Cor 2:14), hostile (Rom 8:7), and darkened (Eph 4:18). If the spirit were unchanged, none of those descriptions would be true and regeneration would be unnecessary. But God promises a new spirit (Ezek 36:26), not a repaired old one. The reason people disagree about what must occur for salvation is precisely because the fallen human spirit cannot produce saving faith; salvation requires new creation, not moral adjustment.

OMC said:

The spirit of man did undergo a real change in the fall; Scripture never treats the human spirit as intact, neutral, or merely misdirected. The fall produced a spirit that is dead (Eph 2:1), unable (1 Cor 2:14), hostile (Rom 8:7), and darkened (Eph 4:18). If the spirit were unchanged, none of those descriptions would be true and regeneration would be unnecessary. But God promises a new spirit (Ezek 36:26), not a repaired old one. The reason people disagree about what must occur for salvation is precisely because the fallen human spirit cannot produce saving faith; salvation requires new creation, not moral adjustment.

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Excellent.

OMC said:

Faith is not “a thing” floating in the air, nor a mystical substance God hands out; in Scripture, faith is simply God‑enabled trust in God’s self‑revelation,

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Yes.

And God does not keep this ability from anyone. He gives everyone a chance to recieve his gift.

But not everyone will chose.

OMC said:

and Paul uses Abraham precisely to show that saving faith is not a human achievement but a Spirit‑produced persuasion. Abraham’s “contrary to hope, in hope believed,” his “not wavering,” and his “being fully convinced” are not psychological feats he generated — Paul explicitly says this persuasion came from God’s promise itself (Rom 4:17–21) and later says that faith is God’s gift (Phil 1:29; Eph 2:8–9). Abraham did not create faith; God spoke, and Abraham was persuaded. That persuasion — not the act of believing — was “accounted to him as righteousness,” meaning righteousness was imputed because of the object of faith (God’s promise), not the quality of Abraham’s believing. If Abraham’s faith were a humanly generated condition that caused justification, Paul’s entire argument in Romans 4 collapses, because he insists repeatedly that justification is “apart from works,” “not of him who wills,” “not of him who runs,” and “to the one who does not work but believes.” Faith is the empty hand receiving a gift, not the cause that activates the gift. Abraham could not boast because he did not contribute anything — he simply trusted the God who “gives life to the dead and calls into existence the things that do not exist.” Faith is not a thing; God is the thing, and faith is the God‑given persuasion that He will do what He promised.

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wow. talk about just seeing what you want to see

In gen 12. Abraham was given a promise

In gen 15. We still see abraham had not fully trusted that promise

So we see God specifically stating, not only will this seed come from your body. but your descendents shall be enormous.

1. Abrahan, contrary to hope (he did not consider his own body, already dead (since he was about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah’s womb.) in hope (faith is the substance of things hoped for. the evidence of things not believed) believed (trusted God)
2. He did not waver at the promise, But was strengthened in faith. giving God the glory.
3. He became fully convinced that what God promised, he was able to do it.

Abrama could have continued in unbelief. or lack of faith. and continued to doubt the words of God in gen 12 and here. But he did not

God gave him the promise, and showed that God was trustworthy.

Abraham recieved this in true saving faiht. and based on this faith.. he was born again...

Everlasting-Grace said:

Have you not heard that we do not chose God. we chose salvation?

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No, I have never heard it put that way.

Everlasting-Grace said:

How can I chose God when I can not even personally know him until after I am saved.

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Everyone knows God, whether they admit it or not. That's Paul's point in Romans chapter one. I don't need to know God personally before I understand and recognize his glory. Romans 1:20-21 "For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, "

The salvation issue is whether or not I will stop hating God. Will I honor God and give him thanks or Not. When I choose God, I decide to stop hating God. I choose to respect God and believe what he says.

Everlasting-Grace said:

Did the tax collector chose God.. or did he cry out for mercy?

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The Tax collector was born into Jewish culture. He was introduced to God from Childhood. As Paul said, the advantage of the Jew was to hear the oracles of God. When the Tax collector heard Jesus teach, something came alive within him. He was convicted of his sin and he cried out for mercy.

Everlasting-Grace said:

I do not think it is fatalistic. Sadly a calvinist or reformed perspective states it is

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You are mistaken. No one in the Reformed Protestant movement says that.

Everlasting-Grace said:

No. if it is scripted in that we will do whatever is scripted. with no choice of our own, it is fatalistic. Fatalism says our destiny is already set in stone. no matter what we do.

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No. Fatalism doesn't believe there is a script. That is why it says that nothing matters. But a human life is lived according to the script God set for it. The narrative structure of our lives, under the direct hand of God, has a moral center that gives it meaning.

What we do matters because we make moral choices, and each decision logically follows from the previous one. The fact that God wrote my story and my life has a narrative structure doesn't make it any less real or fatalistic. All things happen for a reason.

Everlasting-Grace said:

I am arguing against fatalism, or calvinism, or reformed theology that says God chose some to heaven and some to hell. and no one has any say in where they go.

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The Biblical answer is that theology must be understood from one of two distinct vantage points: earthly and heavenly. Jesus told Nicodemus that if he didn't understand Jesus when he spoke of earthly things, how would he understand him when he spoke of heavenly things? Here Jesus alludes to the two perspectives. Paul also alludes to these two perspectives when he alerts his readers that he is speaking "humanly" or "from a human perspective." Romans 3:5 and Romans 6:19

So when Jesus tells Nicodemus that one must be born again, born from above, he is speaking of "heavenly things." From an Earthly vantage point, I experience myself deciding to believe Jesus, take him at his word, and follow him. From a heavenly vantage point, Jesus says that I wouldn't have followed him unless and until God transformed my inwardness: opening my eyes and ears, taking away my stubborn heart, giving me a thirst for righteousness and his kingdom. Both are true, both are real.

Everlasting-Grace said:

wow. talk about just seeing what you want to see

In gen 12. Abraham was given a promise

In gen 15. We still see abraham had not fully trusted that promise

So we see God specifically stating, not only will this seed come from your body. but your descendents shall be enormous.

1. Abrahan, contrary to hope (he did not consider his own body, already dead (since he was about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah’s womb.) in hope (faith is the substance of things hoped for. the evidence of things not believed) believed (trusted God)
2. He did not waver at the promise, But was strengthened in faith. giving God the glory.
3. He became fully convinced that what God promised, he was able to do it.

Abrama could have continued in unbelief. or lack of faith. and continued to doubt the words of God in gen 12 and here. But he did not

God gave him the promise, and showed that God was trustworthy.

Abraham recieved this in true saving faiht. and based on this faith.. he was born again.

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Abraham did not “become born again” because he finally mustered enough trust; the text shows the opposite. In Genesis 12 God gives the promise; in Genesis 15 Abraham still struggles; and in Romans 4 Paul explains that Abraham’s faith was not a human achievement but a God‑produced persuasion. Abraham could have continued in unbelief if faith were self‑generated — but Paul says faith is not of ourselves and is granted (Eph 2:8; Phil 1:29). Abraham’s wavering, strengthening, and becoming fully convinced are the effects of God speaking and God enabling, not Abraham manufacturing spiritual power. The point of Romans 4 is that Abraham contributed nothing: “to the one who does not work but believes, his faith is counted as righteousness.” Faith is not the cause of new birth; new birth is the cause of faith. Abraham believed because God persuaded him — and God imputed righteousness because of the object of faith (God’s promise), not the quality of Abraham’s believing.

Cameron143 said:

Grace and peace.

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you said that before..

Roger316 said:

No, I have never heard it put that way.

Everyone knows God, whether they admit it or not. That's Paul's point in Romans chapter one. I don't need to know God personally before I understand and recognize his glory. Romans 1:20-21 "For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, "

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did the tax collector chose God or chose to cry out praying God would save him?

Roger316 said:

The salvation issue is whether or not I will stop hating God. Will I honor God and give him thanks or Not. When I choose God, I decide to stop hating God. I choose to respect God and believe what he says.

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or maybe you chose to trust God and cry out for his mercy?

Roger316 said:

The Tax collector was born into Jewish culture. He was introduced to God from Childhood. As Paul said, the advantage of the Jew was to hear the oracles of God. When the Tax collector heard Jesus teach, something came alive within him. He was convicted of his sin and he cried out for mercy.

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Yes. He did not chose God. He cried out to God

Roger316 said:

You are mistaken. No one in the Reformed Protestant movement says that.

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Actually yes they do.

Roger316 said:

No. Fatalism doesn't believe there is a script. That is why it says that nothing matters. But a human life is lived according to the script God set for it. The narrative structure of our lives, under the direct hand of God, has a moral center that gives it meaning.

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Fatalism says we have no say in the matter. thats why it is called fatalism

God hated one baby in the womb, but loved another baby in the womb.. their eternities were set in stone (rom 9) hence fatalism

Roger316 said:

What we do matters because we make moral choices, and each decision logically follows from the previous one. The fact that God wrote my story and my life has a narrative structure doesn't make it any less real or fatalistic. All things happen for a reason.

The Biblical answer is that theology must be understood from one of two distinct vantage points: earthly and heavenly. Jesus told Nicodemus that if he didn't understand Jesus when he spoke of earthly things, how would he understand him when he spoke of heavenly things? Here Jesus alludes to the two perspectives. Paul also alludes to these two perspectives when he alerts his readers that he is speaking "humanly" or "from a human perspective." Romans 3:5 and Romans 6:19

So when Jesus tells Nicodemus that one must be born again, born from above, he is speaking of "heavenly things." From an Earthly vantage point, I experience myself deciding to believe Jesus, take him at his word, and follow him. From a heavenly vantage point, Jesus says that I wouldn't have followed him unless and until God transformed my inwardness: opening my eyes and ears, taking away my stubborn heart, giving me a thirst for righteousness and his kingdom. Both are true, both are real.

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but when you say God choses not to do that for someone else.

You basically state the fatalistic view

God opened your heart. so no matter what, you would recieve him

God did not open their heart. so no matter what they would never recieve him

Thats the jist of fatalisict faith as I see it

Cameron143 said:

The corruption of the spirit of man is the reason we disagree on what must occur in man to be saved. I disagree that the spirit of man did not undergo a change as a result of sin.

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The spirit of man cannot be corrupted because it is part of God. Substantively, it did not change in the fall. When man resists the Holy Spirit, man's spirit remains disconnected from God and unable to inform the man. That is why, upon the man's death, his spirit returns to God who gave it. God is not "collecting" all these defective spirits into Himself. It just that dead men can no longer prevent the connection between his spirit and the Spirit of God.

Aaron56 said:

The spirit of man cannot be corrupted because it is part of God. Substantively, it did not change in the fall. When man resists the Holy Spirit, man's spirit remains disconnected from God and unable to inform the man. That is why, upon the man's death, his spirit returns to God who gave it. God is not "collecting" all these defective spirits into Himself. It just that dead men can no longer prevent the connection between his spirit and the Spirit of God.

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Brother, what you’re asserting has no biblical foundation at all — Scripture never says the human spirit is “part of God,” never says it is incorruptible, and never says it remained unchanged in the fall; in fact, the Word says the exact opposite: man’s spirit is dead (Eph 2:1), darkened (Eph 4:18), unable (1 Cor 2:14), and hostile (Rom 8:7) until God gives a new spirit (Ezek 36:26), which would be pointless if the old one were intact.
Your claim that the spirit “returns to God” at death does not mean it is divine or uncorrupted — Ecclesiastes 12:7 simply states that life‑breath goes back to the God who gave it, not that the human spirit is a fragment of God’s essence.
And the idea that “dead men can no longer prevent the connection” is pure speculation; Jesus says the lost remain lost even after death (Luke 16:26), and “I never knew you” (Matt 7:23) means no relationship ever existed, not that death suddenly reconnects them.
The human spirit is a created, fallen, corrupted reality — not a divine spark — and regeneration is necessary precisely because the old spirit is spiritually dead and incapable of knowing God until He makes it new.

Aaron56 said:

The spirit of man cannot be corrupted because it is part of God. Substantively, it did not change in the fall. When man resists the Holy Spirit, man's spirit remains disconnected from God and unable to inform the man. That is why, upon the man's death, his spirit returns to God who gave it. God is not "collecting" all these defective spirits into Himself. It just that dead men can no longer prevent the connection between his spirit and the Spirit of God.

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I would say quickened spirits is what leads formerly dead men to connect to the Spirit. Again, we fundamentally disagree on what actually transpired in man in the fall.

Journey_man said:

No... Only Arminians believe that faith is not a gift. Calvinist do believe that faith is a gift.

No gift of faith no salvation. period.

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It does not say we are saved by faith.
It says we are saved by grace.
Faith is manifested only because grace was present to make the faith possible.

Here is what it actually says.
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves,
it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast." Ephesians 2:8-9

It says what?
"Through faith."
not... "By faith."

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Faith is looked for by God as his test to see if his grace was not resisted.

Grace is God's power to be what we cannot be in our natural power as men.
Grace is enabling power from God to fallen man.
Grace is power that we cannot naturally possess.

But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.”
Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may
rest on me." 2 Corinthians 12:9

We repeat too much we have heard being said, and not taking the time to see how it is read!

OMC said:

Brother, what you’re asserting has no biblical foundation at all — Scripture never says the human spirit is “part of God,” never says it is incorruptible, and never says it remained unchanged in the fall; in fact, the Word says the exact opposite: man’s spirit is dead (Eph 2:1), darkened (Eph 4:18), unable (1 Cor 2:14), and hostile (Rom 8:7) until God gives a new spirit (Ezek 36:26), which would be pointless if the old one were intact.
Your claim that the spirit “returns to God” at death does not mean it is divine or uncorrupted — Ecclesiastes 12:7 simply states that life‑breath goes back to the God who gave it, not that the human spirit is a fragment of God’s essence.
And the idea that “dead men can no longer prevent the connection” is pure speculation; Jesus says the lost remain lost even after death (Luke 16:26), and “I never knew you” (Matt 7:23) means no relationship ever existed, not that death suddenly reconnects them.
The human spirit is a created, fallen, corrupted reality — not a divine spark — and regeneration is necessary precisely because the old spirit is spiritually dead and incapable of knowing God until He makes it new.

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There is a distinction between the soul of man and the spirit of man. It requires wisdom to know the difference because they are often addressed using the same written word.

The spirit is Adam was breathed into him by God: a deposit from God to man. The unseen part of a man includes the spirit of the man given by God and the soul of man created in him. Man is three parts: body, soul, and spirit.

"Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."

You wrote "Man's spirit is dead" but the passage you cited does not say that. Here is the passage:

"And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins..."
Only that the man was dead. I agree with this. And I agree that as long as man's spirit is not connected to God, man will remain dead.

You also cited this passage: "But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
Of course, I agree with this too. You further added that a mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God. This is true. I believe I addressed these things earlier. The spirit of man, as long as it remains disconnected from God who gave it, has no bearin gon the life of the man.

Perhaps you believe I am advocating for universal salvation? Nope. That is not true. When the spirit of an unrighteous man returns to God who gave it, that man does not participate in that transaction. His body and soul are destroyed in Hell "Fear only God who can destroy both soul and body in hell."
You wrote "The human spirit is a created, fallen, corrupted reality — not a divine spark — and regeneration is necessary precisely because the old spirit is spiritually dead and incapable of knowing God until He makes it new."

I believe we see something else in the creation of man. This is called being "born of the Spirit". Which I addressed earlier: when the spirit of man connects with God, man is born of the Spirit. The new spirit God puts into man is Christ, the "Life-giving Spirit". Man then becomes part of the Body of Christ: His flesh and His bones.

Certainly there is more I can say about this. Is there anything you want me to expound on?

One question may be "How can the Holy Spirit convict the world of sin, righteousness, and judgement when man is hostile to God and if man has no ability, in his fallen state, to perceive the things of the Spirit?"

"And when He (the Holy Spirit) has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: of sin, because they do not believe in Me; of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged."

Mind you: this is not universal salvation. Conviction is the pronunciation of whether or not one is guilty of a standard. Many men, (most) will become offended at this conviction and their hearts will be hardened against the Lord and His people.

Cameron143 said:

I would say quickened spirits is what leads formerly dead men to connect to the Spirit. Again, we fundamentally disagree on what actually transpired in man in the fall.

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If God would have taken Adam's spirit from him when he sinned, Adam's body would have died at that moment. It was Adam's spirit, given by God, that made him "a living being" and kept life in his body until he died at 930 years old.

Can you explain what you understand by "quickened"?

Aaron56 said:

There is a distinction between the soul of man and the spirit of man. It requires wisdom to know the difference because they are often addressed using the same written word.

The spirit is Adam was breathed into him by God: a deposit from God to man. The unseen part of a man includes the spirit of the man given by God and the soul of man created in him. Man is three parts: body, soul, and spirit.

"Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."

You wrote "Man's spirit is dead" but the passage you cited does not say that. Here is the passage:

"And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins..."
Only that the man was dead. I agree with this. And I agree that as long as man's spirit is not connected to God, man will remain dead.

You also cited this passage: "But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
Of course, I agree with this too. You further added that a mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God. This is true. I believe I addressed these things earlier. The spirit of man, as long as it remains disconnected from God who gave it, has no bearin gon the life of the man.

Perhaps you believe I am advocating for universal salvation? Nope. That is not true. When the spirit of an unrighteous man returns to God who gave it, that man does not participate in that transaction. His body and soul are destroyed in Hell "Fear only God who can destroy both soul and body in hell."
You wrote "The human spirit is a created, fallen, corrupted reality — not a divine spark — and regeneration is necessary precisely because the old spirit is spiritually dead and incapable of knowing God until He makes it new."

I believe we see something else in the creation of man. This is called being "born of the Spirit". Which I addressed earlier: when the spirit of man connects with God, man is born of the Spirit. The new spirit God puts into man is Christ, the "Life-giving Spirit". Man then becomes part of the Body of Christ: His flesh and His bones.

Certainly there is more I can say about this. Is there anything you want me to expound on?

One question may be "How can the Holy Spirit convict the world of sin, righteousness, and judgement when man is hostile to God and if man has no ability, in his fallen state, to perceive the things of the Spirit?"

"And when He (the Holy Spirit) has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: of sin, because they do not believe in Me; of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged."

Mind you: this is not universal salvation. Conviction is the pronunciation of whether or not one is guilty of a standard. Many men, (most) will become offended at this conviction and their hearts will be hardened against the Lord and His people.

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Brother, the distinction between spirit and soul is real, but the conclusions you’re drawing from that distinction are not found anywhere in Scripture: the Bible never says the human spirit is an incorruptible “deposit from God,” never says it remains untouched by the fall, and never says it merely becomes “disconnected” rather than dead; instead, Paul says the inner man is what must be made alive (Eph 2:1), renewed (2 Cor 4:16), and recreated (Eph 4:24), which only makes sense if the human spirit itself is fallen. When you say “man’s spirit has no bearing on the life of the man unless connected to God,” you’re actually agreeing with Paul’s point: the natural man cannot receive the things of the Spirit (1 Cor 2:14) because his spirit is not neutral — it is incapable until God gives a new one (Ezek 36:26). And your claim that the unrighteous man’s spirit “returns to God” while his soul is destroyed in hell is not taught in Scripture; Ecclesiastes 12:7 refers to the breath of life, not the human spirit being absorbed back into God. Likewise, “born of the Spirit” in John 3 is not the human spirit reconnecting with God — Jesus says it is a birth from above, a new creation, not a reactivation of an old spark.
As for conviction, the Spirit convicts the world because His work is external proclamation, not internal cooperation; He exposes guilt, but only those whom the Father draws respond (John 6:44). Conviction is universal; regeneration is not. The fallen spirit does not assist conviction — the Spirit of God does. The issue is not universal salvation; the issue is that Scripture presents the human spirit as fallen, dead, and in need of new creation, not as a dormant divine deposit waiting to reconnect.

Aaron56 said:

If God would have taken Adam's spirit from him when he sinned, Adam's body would have died at that moment. It was Adam's spirit, given by God, that made him "a living being" and kept life in his body until he died at 930 years old.

Can you explain what you understand by "quickened"?

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Spiritually dead in Scripture means the human spirit is unable to respond to God — alive physically, but totally unresponsive, uninterested, and incapable toward God until He makes it alive (Quickened)

OMC said:

Spiritually dead in Scripture means the human spirit is unable to respond to God — alive physically, but totally unresponsive, uninterested, and incapable toward God until He makes it alive (Quickened)

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Actually it means separated not unresponsive etc.,

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Actually it means separated not unresponsive etc.,

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Brother, I used “unresponsive, uninterested, and incapable” because Scripture itself adds those elements to the word separated — separation is the position, but the Bible describes the condition of that separation as inability.
When Paul says we were “dead in trespasses and sins,” he immediately explains what that death looks like: the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit and cannot know them (1 Cor 2:14), the mind set on the flesh cannot submit to God (Rom 8:7), and no one can come to Christ unless drawn (John 6:44).
Those are not synonyms for “separated”; they are descriptions of functional inability.
So yes — spiritual death includes separation — but Scripture never stops at separation; it defines that separation as incapacity, which is why I used those words earlier.