The Significance of Hebrews 9:16-17

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The New Testament is called “The Last Will and Testament of Jesus Christ.” We are familiar with wills in our society today. We understand that if a person has a “will”, it represents his wishes for his “estate” AFTER he is dead. A person may have a million dollars and as long as that person is alive, he can do whatever he wants to do with that million dollars; he can spend it anyway he chooses. But when he dies, his “will” takes over, comes into effect and the rest of his estate, the rest of his money is governed exclusively by the contents of his “will.” We understand that in our society.

In Hebrews 9:16-17, the Holy Spirit is telling us this is exactly what happened with the “last will and testament of Jesus Christ.” This is how it reads ( NKJ):

“FOR WHERE THERE IS A TESTAMENT ( will), THERE MUST ALSO BE THE DEATH OF THE TESTATOR. FOR A TESTAMENT IS IN FORCE AFTER MEN ARE DEAD, SINCE IT HAS NO POWER AT ALL WHILE THE TESTATOR LIVES.”

Since this verse is talking about Christ, he is saying that while Christ was alive here on earth, He could handle spiritual matters anyway He chose to handle them. He could forgive sins at His discretion; he could save people or not, however He pleases. He could do miracles or not; it was all done according to His judgement. BUT….Jesus knew His time here was short and temporary. He told His disciples that He would not always be with them. But He and the Father had a plan in place—a will, a law, a testament, a covenant (Hebrews 7:22) that would take His place after He leaves. This “will” of Jesus had to be our guide to show us how to get to heaven. It must contain the answers to all of our questions—because Jesus was not going to be here in person to answer them. Jesus would no longer be here to save people in person like He did the thief on the cross; or the man who was let down through the roof. How were people going to be saved when Jesus was no longer here to save them??? He had to leave a “will” telling us what He wanted us to do—and He did. It’s in the New Testament that He left for us.

What we must remember is that the information in His “will”— the laws, and commandments that He left for us, were not in force until AFTER His death on the cross. That’s where the confusion comes in. But that is the ONLY WAY a will works. It’s not in force while a person is alive. You can’t bind a commandment that’s in His Will on a person while Jesus is still alive. Hebrews 9 says that is NOT how it works. The testator must be dead before the Will is binding.

Now here are the consequences of Hebrews 9:16-17.
1) while Jesus was ALIVE on earth, His “will” was not in force. That means all of the commands in His will that tell “us” how to be saved,are not binding on anyone yet. 2) The law that was in force while Jesus was here on earth was the old Jewish law of the old Testamenrt. Jesus was born a Jew; He lived under the Old Testament law and kept that law perfectly. This explains why He kept the Passover and Sabbath days and all aspects of the old law. His new covenant was not in force yet, because He was still alive. See Hebrews 9;16-17. That means to assume that just because Jesus observed the Sabbath day, WE should keep the Sabbath, is a huge mistake and not true according to Hebrews 9:16-17.
3) The new “will” of Jesus that was to come into force AFTER He died, contained instructions about how to be saved. Read Luke 24:47. Repentance and remission of sins were to be preached in His name to all nations “BEGINNING” at Jerusalem. Then He tells His disciples to wait there ( in Jerusalem) until you are endured with POWER ( Holy Spirit) from on high. Verse 49.

Fast forward to Acts 2. Jerusalem. Jews from “all nations” are there. The Holy Spirit (power) descends on the apostles and they speak in tongues. They asked what they had to do to be saved and Peter answered “REPENT and be baptized…FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS. This is the fulfillment of Luke 24:47-49. This is on Pentecost. “Pente” means 5. Pentecost is always 50 days after “Passover.” Just 50 days earlier, Jesus was crucified during the “Passover.” Jesus is now dead. His new Will is now in effect. For the first time ever, the terms of that new will are being presented. Repentance and remission of sins in the name of Jesus has not been preached before this. They have not been binding on anyone until now. This was the “BEGINNING.” Peter also recognizes this as the “beginning” of the gospel and refers to it in Acts 11:15.
3) this is why the thief on the cross did not need to be baptized. He had not been given the command to be baptized in the name of Jesus. The thief had been dead 50 days before anyone needed to do that. Jesus was still alive when He saved the thief—that meant his “will” demanding repentance and baptism for the remission of sins in His name was not in effect- not in force. To say that we don’t have to repent and be baptized just because the thief didn't do it is a lack of understanding what the Bible teaches. No one today can be saved like the thief on the cross because Jesus is not alive and here on earth to save us that way. And because the thief and I live under different laws.

Understanding what Hebrews 9:16-17 says makes a huge difference in how you understand many, many other scriptures and answers many, many questions about the New Testament.
 
The New Testament is called “The Last Will and Testament of Jesus Christ.” We are familiar with wills in our society today. We understand that if a person has a “will”, it represents his wishes for his “estate” AFTER he is dead. A person may have a million dollars and as long as that person is alive, he can do whatever he wants to do with that million dollars; he can spend it anyway he chooses. But when he dies, his “will” takes over, comes into effect and the rest of his estate, the rest of his money is governed exclusively by the contents of his “will.” We understand that in our society.

In Hebrews 9:16-17, the Holy Spirit is telling us this is exactly what happened with the “last will and testament of Jesus Christ.” This is how it reads ( NKJ):

“FOR WHERE THERE IS A TESTAMENT ( will), THERE MUST ALSO BE THE DEATH OF THE TESTATOR. FOR A TESTAMENT IS IN FORCE AFTER MEN ARE DEAD, SINCE IT HAS NO POWER AT ALL WHILE THE TESTATOR LIVES.”

Since this verse is talking about Christ, he is saying that while Christ was alive here on earth, He could handle spiritual matters anyway He chose to handle them. He could forgive sins at His discretion; he could save people or not, however He pleases. He could do miracles or not; it was all done according to His judgement. BUT….Jesus knew His time here was short and temporary. He told His disciples that He would not always be with them. But He and the Father had a plan in place—a will, a law, a testament, a covenant (Hebrews 7:22) that would take His place after He leaves. This “will” of Jesus had to be our guide to show us how to get to heaven. It must contain the answers to all of our questions—because Jesus was not going to be here in person to answer them. Jesus would no longer be here to save people in person like He did the thief on the cross; or the man who was let down through the roof. How were people going to be saved when Jesus was no longer here to save them??? He had to leave a “will” telling us what He wanted us to do—and He did. It’s in the New Testament that He left for us.

What we must remember is that the information in His “will”— the laws, and commandments that He left for us, were not in force until AFTER His death on the cross. That’s where the confusion comes in. But that is the ONLY WAY a will works. It’s not in force while a person is alive. You can’t bind a commandment that’s in His Will on a person while Jesus is still alive. Hebrews 9 says that is NOT how it works. The testator must be dead before the Will is binding.

Now here are the consequences of Hebrews 9:16-17.
1) while Jesus was ALIVE on earth, His “will” was not in force. That means all of the commands in His will that tell “us” how to be saved,are not binding on anyone yet. 2) The law that was in force while Jesus was here on earth was the old Jewish law of the old Testamenrt. Jesus was born a Jew; He lived under the Old Testament law and kept that law perfectly. This explains why He kept the Passover and Sabbath days and all aspects of the old law. His new covenant was not in force yet, because He was still alive. See Hebrews 9;16-17. That means to assume that just because Jesus observed the Sabbath day, WE should keep the Sabbath, is a huge mistake and not true according to Hebrews 9:16-17.
3) The new “will” of Jesus that was to come into force AFTER He died, contained instructions about how to be saved. Read Luke 24:47. Repentance and remission of sins were to be preached in His name to all nations “BEGINNING” at Jerusalem. Then He tells His disciples to wait there ( in Jerusalem) until you are endured with POWER ( Holy Spirit) from on high. Verse 49.

Fast forward to Acts 2. Jerusalem. Jews from “all nations” are there. The Holy Spirit (power) descends on the apostles and they speak in tongues. They asked what they had to do to be saved and Peter answered “REPENT and be baptized…FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS. This is the fulfillment of Luke 24:47-49. This is on Pentecost. “Pente” means 5. Pentecost is always 50 days after “Passover.” Just 50 days earlier, Jesus was crucified during the “Passover.” Jesus is now dead. His new Will is now in effect. For the first time ever, the terms of that new will are being presented. Repentance and remission of sins in the name of Jesus has not been preached before this. They have not been binding on anyone until now. This was the “BEGINNING.” Peter also recognizes this as the “beginning” of the gospel and refers to it in Acts 11:15.
3) this is why the thief on the cross did not need to be baptized. He had not been given the command to be baptized in the name of Jesus. The thief had been dead 50 days before anyone needed to do that. Jesus was still alive when He saved the thief—that meant his “will” demanding repentance and baptism for the remission of sins in His name was not in effect- not in force. To say that we don’t have to repent and be baptized just because the thief didn't do it is a lack of understanding what the Bible teaches. No one today can be saved like the thief on the cross because Jesus is not alive and here on earth to save us that way. And because the thief and I live under different laws.

Understanding what Hebrews 9:16-17 says makes a huge difference in how you understand many, many other scriptures and answers many, many questions about the New Testament.
This is Restorationist “New Testament Law Code” theology — a contract‑model system that misreads Hebrews 9 and treats the gospel as a legal will instead of the living authority of Christ. A system that treats the New Testament as a notarized legal document whose “terms” only activate after Jesus dies.
This is not how Hebrews, Jesus, Paul, or any apostle handles covenant, Scripture, salvation, or the cross.
It is a contract‑model theology, not a biblical one.
It reduces the gospel to a procedural will, turns Jesus’ earthly ministry into a loophole zone, and treats Acts 2 as the moment salvation finally became possible.
That entire framework is foreign to Scripture.
Hebrews 9:16–17 is about why blood is required for covenant ratification, not about Jesus being unable to save until He dies.
This system is the classic Restorationist “New Testament Law Code” model born in the 1800s, where baptism becomes the legal trigger of covenant entry, Jesus’ ministry becomes legally non‑binding, and the thief on the cross becomes a dispensational exception. It is a system built on legal analogy, not on the text.
 
Here is another aspect to why Jesus had to die that is connected with the OP.

As we all know, God married Israel at Mt Sinai. Eventually Israel split into two houses, the house of Israel (10 tribes) and the house of Judah (2 tribes)

Because of their idolatry God divorces the house of Israel and they are taken into Assyrian captivity and loose the name Israel. God is still married to the house of Judah though because it is from the line of David we will get the Messiah.

In the book of Hosea we read about the divorse of House of Israel.

Plead with your mother (i.e the House of Israel), plead: for she is not my wife, neither am I her husband: let her therefore put away her whoredoms out of her sight, and her adulteries from between her breasts;
Hosea 2:2

And in the very same book we read about the Lord promising to remarry His first wife, Israel.

And she shall follow after her lovers, but she shall not overtake them; and she shall seek them, but shall not find them: then shall she say, I will go and return to my first husband; for then was it better with me than now.
Hosea 2:7

Sounds like the Parable of the prodigal son doesn't it, that is because it is the same story.

Hosea 2:19 And I will betroth thee unto me for ever; yea, I will betroth thee unto me in righteousness, and in judgment, and in lovingkindness, and in mercies.
20 I will even betroth thee unto me in faithfulness: and thou shalt know the Lord.

So how can the Lord re-marry Israel, He is already married to Judah and the law for priests (Jesus being our High Priest) is that they can not marry a divorced woman.

Leviticus 21:1 And the Lord said unto Moses, Speak unto the priests the sons of Aaron, and say unto them, There shall none be defiled for the dead among his people:
7 They shall not take a wife that is a whore, or profane; neither shall they take a woman put away from her husband: for he is holy unto his God.

Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the Lord: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.
Deuteronomy 24:4

Now read Romans 7 for the answer:

Romans 7:1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.

Who is the woman ? The woman is Israel.
Who is the Husband? He is the Lord.
And "if the husband be dead" refers to calvery

Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Romans 7:4

The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord.
1 Corinthians 7:39

The promised redemption of Israel could only come about by the death of the Husband that wrote the bill of divorcement. God manifest in the flesh. Jesus Christ is the Husband manifest in the flesh. The Husband had to die to annul the bill of divorcement.

Now we are back at the OP.

Hebrews 8:8 and Jeremiah 31:31 talks about New Testament that the Lord will provide to the house of Israel and house of Judah.

. . . I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Hebrews 8:8

Hebrews 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

According to Gods own law the only way the testament could come into force is if the testator died.
 
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I always thought Hebrews could be alternatively titled "Last chance fort Israel".

With the destruction of the temple, Israel would not again have the opportunity to receive the earthly kingdom until the end of the tribulation.
 
The New Testament is called “The Last Will and Testament of Jesus Christ.” We are familiar with wills in our society today. We understand that if a person has a “will”, it represents his wishes for his “estate” AFTER he is dead. A person may have a million dollars and as long as that person is alive, he can do whatever he wants to do with that million dollars; he can spend it anyway he chooses. But when he dies, his “will” takes over, comes into effect and the rest of his estate, the rest of his money is governed exclusively by the contents of his “will.” We understand that in our society.

In Hebrews 9:16-17, the Holy Spirit is telling us this is exactly what happened with the “last will and testament of Jesus Christ.” This is how it reads ( NKJ):

“FOR WHERE THERE IS A TESTAMENT ( will), THERE MUST ALSO BE THE DEATH OF THE TESTATOR. FOR A TESTAMENT IS IN FORCE AFTER MEN ARE DEAD, SINCE IT HAS NO POWER AT ALL WHILE THE TESTATOR LIVES.”

Since this verse is talking about Christ, he is saying that while Christ was alive here on earth, He could handle spiritual matters anyway He chose to handle them. He could forgive sins at His discretion; he could save people or not, however He pleases. He could do miracles or not; it was all done according to His judgement. BUT….Jesus knew His time here was short and temporary. He told His disciples that He would not always be with them. But He and the Father had a plan in place—a will, a law, a testament, a covenant (Hebrews 7:22) that would take His place after He leaves. This “will” of Jesus had to be our guide to show us how to get to heaven. It must contain the answers to all of our questions—because Jesus was not going to be here in person to answer them. Jesus would no longer be here to save people in person like He did the thief on the cross; or the man who was let down through the roof. How were people going to be saved when Jesus was no longer here to save them??? He had to leave a “will” telling us what He wanted us to do—and He did. It’s in the New Testament that He left for us.

What we must remember is that the information in His “will”— the laws, and commandments that He left for us, were not in force until AFTER His death on the cross. That’s where the confusion comes in. But that is the ONLY WAY a will works. It’s not in force while a person is alive. You can’t bind a commandment that’s in His Will on a person while Jesus is still alive. Hebrews 9 says that is NOT how it works. The testator must be dead before the Will is binding.

Now here are the consequences of Hebrews 9:16-17.
1) while Jesus was ALIVE on earth, His “will” was not in force. That means all of the commands in His will that tell “us” how to be saved,are not binding on anyone yet. 2) The law that was in force while Jesus was here on earth was the old Jewish law of the old Testamenrt. Jesus was born a Jew; He lived under the Old Testament law and kept that law perfectly. This explains why He kept the Passover and Sabbath days and all aspects of the old law. His new covenant was not in force yet, because He was still alive. See Hebrews 9;16-17. That means to assume that just because Jesus observed the Sabbath day, WE should keep the Sabbath, is a huge mistake and not true according to Hebrews 9:16-17.
3) The new “will” of Jesus that was to come into force AFTER He died, contained instructions about how to be saved. Read Luke 24:47. Repentance and remission of sins were to be preached in His name to all nations “BEGINNING” at Jerusalem. Then He tells His disciples to wait there ( in Jerusalem) until you are endured with POWER ( Holy Spirit) from on high. Verse 49.

Fast forward to Acts 2. Jerusalem. Jews from “all nations” are there. The Holy Spirit (power) descends on the apostles and they speak in tongues. They asked what they had to do to be saved and Peter answered “REPENT and be baptized…FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS. This is the fulfillment of Luke 24:47-49. This is on Pentecost. “Pente” means 5. Pentecost is always 50 days after “Passover.” Just 50 days earlier, Jesus was crucified during the “Passover.” Jesus is now dead. His new Will is now in effect. For the first time ever, the terms of that new will are being presented. Repentance and remission of sins in the name of Jesus has not been preached before this. They have not been binding on anyone until now. This was the “BEGINNING.” Peter also recognizes this as the “beginning” of the gospel and refers to it in Acts 11:15.
3) this is why the thief on the cross did not need to be baptized. He had not been given the command to be baptized in the name of Jesus. The thief had been dead 50 days before anyone needed to do that. Jesus was still alive when He saved the thief—that meant his “will” demanding repentance and baptism for the remission of sins in His name was not in effect- not in force. To say that we don’t have to repent and be baptized just because the thief didn't do it is a lack of understanding what the Bible teaches. No one today can be saved like the thief on the cross because Jesus is not alive and here on earth to save us that way. And because the thief and I live under different laws.

Understanding what Hebrews 9:16-17 says makes a huge difference in how you understand many, many other scriptures and answers many, many questions about the New Testament.
Good post .

henrews consistently contrasts the old and new covenants the high priest , the preisthood , the mediator and his words the covenant . It’s an argument to the Hebrews that thier covenant was ending and that Christ was the mediator of the promised new covenant

It’s truly a significant verse within the context of Hebrews main arguments . Until Jesus died moses words of the covenant he had mediated were official and needed to be obeyed .

remember many times Jesus instructed people to obey the law and even the levitical preisthood because they had the seat of authority , the old words were in force while Jesus walked around speaking the new until he finished . Then he died as atonement for the judgement of the old upon the world for sin and his words became the covenant forever.

Like a Will when a person dies everything written in thoer Will becomes eternally immutable nonone can change the words of the testator Jesus Christ and are the words of life


“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:35‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We can trust Christs words forever they can’t change after his blood was shed for the covenant word he’d spoken from God to the world
 
Jesus said that he had to go, but would not leave them orphans, he would come back to them.

Jesus resides in believers now, and no longer a Temple. We are called the Temple of the Holy Spirit.

I agree. the NT begins in Acts, not Matthew chapter 1.

John 14:16-20 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever-- the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you. "A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live also. At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.

These may be of interest to you.


 
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This is Restorationist “New Testament Law Code” theology — a contract‑model system that misreads Hebrews 9 and treats the gospel as a legal will instead of the living authority of Christ. A system that treats the New Testament as a notarized legal document whose “terms” only activate after Jesus dies.
But the New Testament can only go in affect after Jesus dies.

No person had salvation while Jesus was alive.

So He had to die to shed His blood to wash away sins so salvation can take place.

Hebrews 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death.

16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

It states that the New Testament does not go in to affect until the death of Jesus.

The promise was before Jesus died but it did not go in to affect until Jesus died.

What are you trying to say because a person does not have to read it in the Bible to know no person had salvation and the promise cannot go in to affect until Jesus dies to wash away their sins and they can receive the Spirit.

Testament
διαθήκη diathḗkē, dee-ath-ay'-kay; from G1303; properly, a disposition, i.e. (specially)

a contract (especially a devisory will):

—covenant, testament.

I know what you are saying but it does say it is a devisory will.

It does not take away anything from Jesus to say it is a will and of course it cannot go in to affect until Jesus dies and Hebrews 9 says that.

So why combat against it.

The New Testament is primarily a covenant or promise between God and humanity, but the Bible uses the the legal concept of a will to show how Jesus' death activates that promise.
 
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But the New Testament can only go in affect after Jesus dies.

No person had salvation while Jesus was alive.

So He had to die to shed His blood to wash away sins so salvation can take place.

Hebrews 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death.

16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

It states that the New Testament does not go in to affect until the death of Jesus.

The promise was before Jesus died but it did not go in to affect until Jesus died.

What are you trying to say because a person does not have to read it in the Bible to know no person had salvation and the promise cannot go in to affect until Jesus dies to wash away their sins and they can receive the Spirit.

Testament
διαθήκη diathḗkē, dee-ath-ay'-kay; from G1303; properly, a disposition, i.e. (specially)

a contract (especially a devisory will):

—covenant, testament.

I know what you are saying but it does say it is a devisory will.

It does not take away anything from Jesus to say it is a will and of course it cannot go in to affect until Jesus dies and Hebrews 9 says that.

So why combat against it.

The New Testament is primarily a covenant or promise between God and humanity, but the Bible uses the the legal concept of a will to show how Jesus' death activates that promise.
Your claim is built on a misunderstanding of Hebrews 9 and the meaning of διαθήκη (diathēkē). Hebrews does indeed say the New Covenant is ratified by Christ’s death, and I affirm that without hesitation—His blood is what activates the covenant. But your conclusion that “no person had salvation while Jesus was alive” or that “the promise could not go into effect until Jesus died” contradicts Jesus’ own words, Paul’s teaching, and the entire Old Testament record. Jesus told people during His earthly life that their faith had saved them; Abraham was justified centuries before the cross; David’s sins were forgiven; and Hebrews 11 lists a whole gallery of Old Testament saints who died in faith, already possessing salvation. The writer of Hebrews uses the analogy of a will only to illustrate one point: death is required to ratify a covenant, just as blood ratified the Old Covenant and Christ’s blood ratifies the New. He is not teaching that salvation was impossible before the cross—he is teaching that salvation, past and present, is grounded in Christ’s death, whether anticipated (Old Testament) or accomplished (New Testament). The cross works forward and backward in time. The covenant is activated by His death, but salvation was already applied to believers long before, because God counted Christ’s future sacrifice as present reality.
 
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Your claim is built on a misunderstanding of Hebrews 9 and the meaning of διαθήκη (diathēkē). Hebrews does indeed say the New Covenant is ratified by Christ’s death, and I affirm that without hesitation—His blood is what activates the covenant. But your conclusion that “no person had salvation while Jesus was alive” or that “the promise could not go into effect until Jesus died” contradicts Jesus’ own words, Paul’s teaching, and the entire Old Testament record. Jesus told people during His earthly life that their faith had saved them; Abraham was justified centuries before the cross; David’s sins were forgiven; and Hebrews 11 lists a whole gallery of Old Testament saints who died in faith, already possessing salvation. The writer of Hebrews uses the analogy of a will only to illustrate one point: death is required to ratify a covenant, just as blood ratified the Old Covenant and Christ’s blood ratifies the New. He is not teaching that salvation was impossible before the cross—he is teaching that salvation, past and present, is grounded in Christ’s death, whether anticipated (Old Testament) or accomplished (New Testament). The cross works forward and backward in time. The covenant is activated by His death, but salvation was already applied to believers long before, because God counted Christ’s future sacrifice as present reality.
Perhaps what Tablet123 means is that no one had the forgiveness of their sins until Jesus shed His blood. The Jews under the old covenant had their sins “remembered” each year. That’s why they had to keep offering animal sacrifices. Hebrews makes the point that the blood of bulls and goats cannot remove sin. Hebrews 10:4 It took the blood of The Son of God to finally remove all sins, permanently. So “technically, salvation was secured when their sins were removed by the blood of Christ.
 
Perhaps what Tablet123 means is that no one had the forgiveness of their sins until Jesus shed His blood. The Jews under the old covenant had their sins “remembered” each year. That’s why they had to keep offering animal sacrifices. Hebrews makes the point that the blood of bulls and goats cannot remove sin. Hebrews 10:4 It took the blood of The Son of God to finally remove all sins, permanently. So “technically, salvation was secured when their sins were removed by the blood of Christ
Old Testament believers did have forgiveness, fellowship, and full acceptance with God long before Jesus shed His blood, because God applied Christ’s future sacrifice retroactively, not hypothetically; Hebrews never says they lacked forgiveness—it says the animal blood could not remove sin, which is why Christ’s blood is the true basis of their forgiveness. The annual “remembrance of sins” (Heb. 10:3) does not mean Israel was unforgiven; it means the sacrificial system continually reminded them that animal blood was symbolic, not effective. David says, “Blessed is the man whose sin the LORD forgiveth” (Ps. 32:1–2), and Jesus Himself says Abraham rejoiced to see His day (John 8:56). Hebrews 9:15 states explicitly that Christ’s death redeemed the transgressions under the first covenant, proving that Old Testament saints were forgiven on the basis of Christ’s future blood, not on the basis of animal sacrifices. So yes—Christ’s blood is the moment salvation was secured, but it is not the moment salvation was applied; God applied the benefits of Christ’s death to believers long before the cross, because the Lamb was “slain from the foundation of the world.
 
But the New Testament can only go in affect after Jesus dies.

No person had salvation while Jesus was alive.

So He had to die to shed His blood to wash away sins so salvation can take place.

Hebrews 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death.

16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

It states that the New Testament does not go in to affect until the death of Jesus.

The promise was before Jesus died but it did not go in to affect until Jesus died.

What are you trying to say because a person does not have to read it in the Bible to know no person had salvation and the promise cannot go in to affect until Jesus dies to wash away their sins and they can receive the Spirit.

Testament
διαθήκη diathḗkē, dee-ath-ay'-kay; from G1303; properly, a disposition, i.e. (specially)

a contract (especially a devisory will):

—covenant, testament.

I know what you are saying but it does say it is a devisory will.

It does not take away anything from Jesus to say it is a will and of course it cannot go in to affect until Jesus dies and Hebrews 9 says that.

So why combat against it.

The New Testament is primarily a covenant or promise between God and humanity, but the Bible uses the the legal concept of a will to show how Jesus' death activates that promise.


“It does not take away anything from Jesus to say it is a will and of course it cannot go in to affect until Jesus dies and Hebrews 9 says that.”

exactly it doesn’t take away but rather it’s exactly what they are teaching in the scripture. and that’s the way we learn and Hebrews is probably the deepest most rich letter in the nt apart from the gospels or maybe Roman’s which also is extra rich

Really liked this response and the op also



 
But the New Testament can only go in affect after Jesus dies.

No person had salvation while Jesus was alive.

So He had to die to shed His blood to wash away sins so salvation can take place.

Hebrews 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death.

16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

It states that the New Testament does not go in to affect until the death of Jesus.

The promise was before Jesus died but it did not go in to affect until Jesus died.

What are you trying to say because a person does not have to read it in the Bible to know no person had salvation and the promise cannot go in to affect until Jesus dies to wash away their sins and they can receive the Spirit.

Testament
διαθήκη diathḗkē, dee-ath-ay'-kay; from G1303; properly, a disposition, i.e. (specially)

a contract (especially a devisory will):

—covenant, testament.

I know what you are saying but it does say it is a devisory will.

It does not take away anything from Jesus to say it is a will and of course it cannot go in to affect until Jesus dies and Hebrews 9 says that.

So why combat against it.

The New Testament is primarily a covenant or promise between God and humanity, but the Bible uses the the legal concept of a will to show how Jesus' death activates that promise.
Your statement that no one was saved while Jesus was on earth is not true. Salvation in the Bible is not only forgiveness of sin. It includes healing and deliverance from evil spirits.

Are you trying to say that Abraham, Moses, Jacob and David were not saved? That is patently false. Each of those men had a real encounter with the Living God.

"All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world." Revelation 13:8.

God is outside of time. The sacrifice of Jesus reaches back to Adam and forward to the last sin that will ever be committed.