That is the same God that made our world in 6 days and rested on the 7th day.
Do you follow Him?
Rome's challenge.
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Do you follow Him?
Historical and biblical evidence indicates that the early Christian church gathered to worship on the first day of the week,
Sunday, starting in the first century.
The day Jesus rose is the most important day for us and is the first day of our Lord's new creation.
Biblical and Historical Evidence
The Resurrection
Early Christians commemorated Jesus Christ rising from the dead on the first day of the week (Sunday).
New Testament References
Passages like Acts 20:7 and 1 Corinthians 16:2 show early believers meeting on the first day of the week to break bread
and collect offerings. Revelation 1:10 mentions the "Lord's Day," which early Christian writings consistently identified
as Sunday.
Early Christian Writings
Around 110 AD, Ignatius of Antioch wrote about believers living in observance of the Lord's Day. Around 155 AD, Justin Martyr explicitly described common Christian assemblies on Sunday, linking it to both creation and the resurrection of Jesus.
Prior to Constantine: Sunday worship was well established centuries before Emperor Constantine declared Sunday a
day of rest in 321 AD.
Your argument that the early Gentile, Christian churches, obeyed the law (sabbath observance) is erroneous.
There were no Hebrews in Adam's time
And we use the Gregorian calendar not the Julian.
And if Sunday is the 7th day of the week why do all 4 gospels say Jesus rose from the dead on the 1st day of the week.
His name is Jesus Christ.
Please use that name and avoid using the term "God" as "God" is a generic term.
The old creation was a six day event with our Lord Jesus Christ resting on the seventh day.
Where you stumble is not understanding that the law was only given to Israel.
Israel was legally required to obey the sabbath day and the Gentile nations were not under the law.
Which nation was given the statutes and rules?
It was not a WEEKLY Sunday observance. I think you need to read Acts 20:7 for yourself, word for word.
I Cor 16:2 does not show any assembly on Sunday.
There are about 80 different WEEKLY 7th day sabbath shown in the book of Acts alone. Kept by both Jews AND Gentiles.
You are correct on that point.
We are a new creation in Christ and the new creation starts on a new first day (Sunday) and is eternal.
We do not refer to the old creation.
I did read the quotation below.
Acts 20:7
On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart
on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight.
On the first day of the week is beyond any debate.
There is nothing you can do to change what Acts 20:7 states.
Israel was under the law and the Gentile nations were never given the law to obey.
Your entire theology collapses on this point.
Show me where in the scripture that the Lord Jesus made a covenant based on the book of the law, with any other nation?
You need to support your claims with evidence.
Please be true and honest...
These verses prove nothing.
They meet every day.
There is no historical proof that shows the early Christians meeting on Sunday.
This is an invented theory to justify Sunday worship.
God never, NEVER, changed the day. Man did.
You can follow tradition or you can follow God.
The earliest Christians did not keep Sunday as the Sabbath; instead, they religiously observed the seventh-day Sabbath in accordance with the fourth commandment. While it is true that some Christians began to observe Sunday as a festival in honor of the resurrection at an early period, this was an unscriptural innovation that did not originally supersede the religious regard paid to the weekly Sabbath.
Acts 17:2.
Luke 23:52
The early Church, composed of Jews and pious Gentiles, presented a united front in keeping the seventh day, and no record exists in the New Testament of any controversy regarding Sabbath-breaking among them.
Acts 13:42.
The transition to Sunday was solidified by papal usurpation and civil decrees, most notably the edict of Constantine in A.D. 321, which commanded rest on the "venerable day of the sun"
Please prove that Sunday was the sabbath... the historical records do not show this for the first 250 years after the death of Christ.
The disciples gathered everyday... this does not prove that the sabbath was Sunday.
biblical and historical evidence both show that early Christians gathered on Sunday, not because they were keeping the Jewish Sabbath, but because Jesus rose from the dead on the first day of the week. And your claim that Gentile churches were not Sabbath‑keepers is correct.
Consider how many 'leap years' and other foolisness has gone on with the world's present calendar. What day of the week it is was something passed down by the first ancestor, but apparently mankind lost it somewhere along the way.
You’re right—and you’ve actually already named the key distinction: you cannot prove from Scripture or early history that Sunday “became the Sabbath.”
The New Testament shows believers meeting on the first day of the week (Acts 20:7; 1 Corinthians 16:2) and calls it “the Lord’s Day” (Revelation 1:10), but it never says Sunday is the Sabbath or that God changed the Sabbath to Sunday.
The early church did gather often—sometimes daily (Acts 2:46)—and Sunday quickly became the main gathering day because of the resurrection, not because it was taught as a new legal sabbath.
Paul explicitly refuses to bind believers to any specific day (Romans 14:5; Colossians 2:16), which means Sunday is a historic worship day, not a commanded Sabbath day.
The Sabbath is a day of rest.. From Friday sunset to Saturday sunset people where to do no work.. There was never a stipulation that the Jews had to attend any ceremony at the temple each week on the weekly Sabbath.. Indeed saddling up a hoarse to travel to the temple on the Sabbath day was a transgression against the Sabbath.. Ask any pastor or priest what day is the busiest day of the week for them and they will tell you the day they do a weekend service..
The day on which we Christians where to attend a fellowship meeting was Never Stipulated in the New Testament.. We can attend a gathering on any day of the week as far as i know..
So if a person wants to keep a day as the Sabbath then they should keep the correct day and Rest on that day.. Again there is no law in the New Testament telling Christians they must attend a church on the Sabbath..
But if God is with us and wants something to happen, He has a thousand ways to do it.
If people are faithful to God and keep every 7th day regardless of the world's customs and changes you can be sure they have the right day.
But the best way to know we are keeping the right day is the fact that Jesus obeyed it and He is God.
2000 years ago we have a sure example.
And the Jews are very particular about the sabbath day.
Everything lines up today. There is no reason to doubt which day is the 7th.
Science, nature, history, the Jews, every record we have access to lines up perfectly.
John does not call Sunday "the Lord's day".
Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
John refers to Sunday 2 times in his writings ..
Joh 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, ....
Joh 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews,...
This was the way he referred to Sunday after the death of Jesus. If he was consistent....
Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the first day of the week.
Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, so the Lord's day is more likely to be Saturday. But it many think it is referring to the day of the Lord in the future.
John’s phrase “the Lord’s Day” in Revelation 1:10 is not the Sabbath, not “the first day of the week,” and not “the future Day of the Lord”—it is a distinct Christian term (κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ) that the early church universally used to mean Sunday, the day of Christ’s resurrection. John’s Gospel uses “first day of the week” when describing historical events, but Revelation uses a liturgical term for the Christian worship day, just as Paul uses “Lord’s Supper” instead of “Passover meal.” No early Christian writer—none—ever used “Lord’s Day” to mean Saturday, and none used it to mean the eschatological Day of the Lord; every source from the first and second centuries (Didache, Ignatius, Barnabas, Justin Martyr) uses κυριακή to mean Sunday, the resurrection day. So John is not being inconsistent—he is using a new Christian term for a new Christian reality, the weekly celebration of the risen Christ.
The 7th day isn't an actual weekday, it's the day of Gods rest, where no work will have to be done by anyone. No fear, no striving, no worrying about the cold or how tired you are, just the ability to do anything however you want in pure Godly bliss.
Why do 7th day adventists lean so hard on the particular day of the week being the 'right one'? Is there an actual obervable truth in Scripture that God will condemn someone for keeping a sabbath on a 'wrong day'? Isn't the fact that a sabbath is kept at all a sincere act of devotion to God, even if the Sabbath is a tuesday for some people?
Sunday is not the sabbath day.
I don't rest on Sunday nor does anyone I have ever known.
The Jews were under covenant law (Exodus 24) to rest on the sabbath day.
Gentiles are not under the law (Exodus 24) unless they are circumcised because that's what the law states.
We Gentiles are under grace now and the law belonged to Israel.
You have been sold a dud TMS and your not alone in that.