Hos 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge:
Please forward to 34/33 for a very important message.
God bless
Please forward to 34/33 for a very important message.
God bless
A must see....lets prepare saints.
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Jay is smart, and I think people should pay attention; especially Americans; but others as well, if they're interested in stopping their nations from perishing. I guess if you like the idea of the church being persecuted and forced underground- if you want to apostatize to Islam or pay them Jizya... then go back to sleep.
TLDR is that if the Muslims are already here out-breeding American nationalists. It not some hypothetical potential future threat: the foundations for an Islamic caliphate in the United States are being laid right now.
Jay's proposed solution is to get Christians back into every institution, as it was when it was created. And we are supposed to do this by.....
1)Reverse the lukewarmness of western Christianity.
2)Live the Gospel.
3)Take inspiration from Christians who have gone before us. (and he uses the reformers et. al as an example).
4) "bring the muslims home"
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Here's my critique.
Many of the "institutions" that exist today did not exist when the constitution was created- and they were not created for a freely-moral people; they were created specifically to ensnare and control the people. Therefore, the goal should not be to control many of institutions as they are; but to dismantle and replace them. Right now pseudo-christian, carpetbagging republican stooges just want to take over the institutions for themselves- it leads to a state controlled church and not the other way around.
We look to God's word for inspiration rather than reformers.
Iran will not suddenly *poof* into a Christian nation upon regime change. At best, there will be a safer mission field. At worst, attempts to force-westernize Iran will radicalize large portions of the population. We can take nuclear material by force; but we cannot coerce them into becoming Christians. ANY ATTEMPT to do this by government, or government proxy should be STRONGLY OPPOSED!
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Now, here's what I propose.
THE STATE
-Needs to do it's job and remove whoever can lawfully be removed. Now.
-Continue to control immigration at all the borders, not just the southern border.
-Stop funding religious organizations (yes... fund your own churches).
-Stop funding secular organizations. A bunch of them are bad anyway.
-(Tax-free statuses are okay... no need to tax money twice)
-No more nuclear deals with Muslim countries. Assume they will weaponize everything they can touch.
-Yeild to and promote conservative populist free-market capitalism. Any more elitist faggotry, and they can kiss the country and all their wealth goodbye.
THE CHURCH
-Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and his righteousness. America doesn't necessarily win; but God does.
-If we don't want Islam to dominate the culture, then we need a stronger cultural presence; which means.....
Build a new house on the rock. The old house is sold. They're not selling it back; and it is sinking in the quicksand anyway.
BRING THE MUSLIMS HOME... to CHRIST; not "western christianity", but to JESUS- and without state interference. Do not let the State or government proxy influence your evangelism; do not take money or instructions from them; and limit cooperation to greatest extent possible- valid counterterrorism concerns being the exception- keeping in mind that while the Church shares some common interests with the State, it is not the State, and the State is not the Church.
TLDR is that if the Muslims are already here out-breeding American nationalists. It not some hypothetical potential future threat: the foundations for an Islamic caliphate in the United States are being laid right now.
Jay's proposed solution is to get Christians back into every institution, as it was when it was created. And we are supposed to do this by.....
1)Reverse the lukewarmness of western Christianity.
2)Live the Gospel.
3)Take inspiration from Christians who have gone before us. (and he uses the reformers et. al as an example).
4) "bring the muslims home"
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Here's my critique.
Many of the "institutions" that exist today did not exist when the constitution was created- and they were not created for a freely-moral people; they were created specifically to ensnare and control the people. Therefore, the goal should not be to control many of institutions as they are; but to dismantle and replace them. Right now pseudo-christian, carpetbagging republican stooges just want to take over the institutions for themselves- it leads to a state controlled church and not the other way around.
We look to God's word for inspiration rather than reformers.
Iran will not suddenly *poof* into a Christian nation upon regime change. At best, there will be a safer mission field. At worst, attempts to force-westernize Iran will radicalize large portions of the population. We can take nuclear material by force; but we cannot coerce them into becoming Christians. ANY ATTEMPT to do this by government, or government proxy should be STRONGLY OPPOSED!
================================================================================================
Now, here's what I propose.
THE STATE
-Needs to do it's job and remove whoever can lawfully be removed. Now.
-Continue to control immigration at all the borders, not just the southern border.
-Stop funding religious organizations (yes... fund your own churches).
-Stop funding secular organizations. A bunch of them are bad anyway.
-(Tax-free statuses are okay... no need to tax money twice)
-No more nuclear deals with Muslim countries. Assume they will weaponize everything they can touch.
-Yeild to and promote conservative populist free-market capitalism. Any more elitist faggotry, and they can kiss the country and all their wealth goodbye.
THE CHURCH
-Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and his righteousness. America doesn't necessarily win; but God does.
-If we don't want Islam to dominate the culture, then we need a stronger cultural presence; which means.....
- Learn from the fall of the IVY League
- Learn from the fall of the YMCA
- Learn from the fall of the Boy Scouts of America
- Learn from the fall of Christian medicine.
Build a new house on the rock. The old house is sold. They're not selling it back; and it is sinking in the quicksand anyway.
BRING THE MUSLIMS HOME... to CHRIST; not "western christianity", but to JESUS- and without state interference. Do not let the State or government proxy influence your evangelism; do not take money or instructions from them; and limit cooperation to greatest extent possible- valid counterterrorism concerns being the exception- keeping in mind that while the Church shares some common interests with the State, it is not the State, and the State is not the Church.
Did I miss something in the news? Who within our government is trying to coerce Iranians or their nation into becoming Christian?
War propaganda. The suspicious narrative that Iran just secretly hates being muslim, and wants to be Christian so they can have dogs and wear bikinis.
I didn't specify our government, and I said IF that happens. We should object to any forced conversions- or even persecutions that result from the aftermath of the war.
Like most of us, Iranian Muslims don't care for the radical style of Islam that the regime lives by. But like you, I know that they're not going to convert to Christianity either. I thought maybe you were talking about institutions like Catholic Charities that gets paid money by our government to house, shelter, and feed the ILLEGAL immigrants that they try to hide and shelter from law enforcement.
Do not worry about Islam for they will do nothing but they are letting them do what little they do for now.
Only for now.
The United Nations is the nations working together for peace on earth.
Which America has been wanting peace for years being more involved than any other nation and being involved in peace in the Middle East.
Genesis 16:11 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.
12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.
Genesis 17:20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.
Islam is the biggest threat and obstacle to having peace in the world for they are stubborn and strict about their ways.
The Islamic governments will eventually come together to work for peace a one world government when the antichrist starts working in the world.
Which he will negotiate a peace treaty in the Middle East resulting in a peace treaty.
Saddam Hussein wanted to rebuild Babylon and unite the Arab nations as a defense against Europe and to have power.
And the Arab nations have been wanting to come together for years.
America was not having that for it would be more of an obstacle to their having peace on earth.
With them coming together with that power they may have denied a peace treaty and been a burden to them.
So America invaded Iraq to bust up Saddam's plan and messed with other Arab nations to keep them separate so they could not come together.
They blamed them for 911 to cause hate and fear towards them in the world.
And blamed and pointed out terrorist activities to further that.
They allow them to get away with pushing sharia law in nations to show they are pushy and being aggressive to push their ways to further cause hate and fear towards them.
They let them get away with little things like that but they hinder them from having power on a world level.
They are setting them up for a fall wanting the world to view them as antagonistic and not a benefit to help them have peace.
So I would not worry about Islam for they are not going to allow them to have a foothold against their plan.
Daniel 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
The Roman Empire will not lose their dominion until Jesus puts down the world.
Which 10 horns come from them the world divided in to 10 sections with a leader in each section which they shall devour the whole earth.
Which the little horn, antichrist, shall come from the 10 horns and push his religion that exalts people and their is no personal God.
The Arab governments will come together to work for peace but when the antichrist pushes his agenda that is contrary to Islam the people will rebel against it.
Which the Arab nations will be devastated by nuclear weapons plucked up by the roots.
That is the fate of Islam and the Arabs.
Daniel 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.
Some people think the beast kingdom in Revelation is Islam but it is not.
Babylon, Medo-Persia, and Greece will never have physical dominion again but their lives were prolonged for a season and time.
Which their ways are still on earth which all 4 kingdoms ways show up at the beast kingdom.
10 horns, Roman Empire, physical dominion.
Lion, Babylon, human religion, the occult, and the kingdom of man.
Bear, Medo-Persia, physical cruelty in war.
Leopard, Greece, human wisdom.
The kingdom of man in its entirety.
The beast kingdom is Babylon in spirit.
Only for now.
The United Nations is the nations working together for peace on earth.
Which America has been wanting peace for years being more involved than any other nation and being involved in peace in the Middle East.
Genesis 16:11 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.
12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.
Genesis 17:20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.
Islam is the biggest threat and obstacle to having peace in the world for they are stubborn and strict about their ways.
The Islamic governments will eventually come together to work for peace a one world government when the antichrist starts working in the world.
Which he will negotiate a peace treaty in the Middle East resulting in a peace treaty.
Saddam Hussein wanted to rebuild Babylon and unite the Arab nations as a defense against Europe and to have power.
And the Arab nations have been wanting to come together for years.
America was not having that for it would be more of an obstacle to their having peace on earth.
With them coming together with that power they may have denied a peace treaty and been a burden to them.
So America invaded Iraq to bust up Saddam's plan and messed with other Arab nations to keep them separate so they could not come together.
They blamed them for 911 to cause hate and fear towards them in the world.
And blamed and pointed out terrorist activities to further that.
They allow them to get away with pushing sharia law in nations to show they are pushy and being aggressive to push their ways to further cause hate and fear towards them.
They let them get away with little things like that but they hinder them from having power on a world level.
They are setting them up for a fall wanting the world to view them as antagonistic and not a benefit to help them have peace.
So I would not worry about Islam for they are not going to allow them to have a foothold against their plan.
Daniel 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
The Roman Empire will not lose their dominion until Jesus puts down the world.
Which 10 horns come from them the world divided in to 10 sections with a leader in each section which they shall devour the whole earth.
Which the little horn, antichrist, shall come from the 10 horns and push his religion that exalts people and their is no personal God.
The Arab governments will come together to work for peace but when the antichrist pushes his agenda that is contrary to Islam the people will rebel against it.
Which the Arab nations will be devastated by nuclear weapons plucked up by the roots.
That is the fate of Islam and the Arabs.
Daniel 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.
Some people think the beast kingdom in Revelation is Islam but it is not.
Babylon, Medo-Persia, and Greece will never have physical dominion again but their lives were prolonged for a season and time.
Which their ways are still on earth which all 4 kingdoms ways show up at the beast kingdom.
10 horns, Roman Empire, physical dominion.
Lion, Babylon, human religion, the occult, and the kingdom of man.
Bear, Medo-Persia, physical cruelty in war.
Leopard, Greece, human wisdom.
The kingdom of man in its entirety.
The beast kingdom is Babylon in spirit.
Well, it should create better opportunities if the Shah or whoever takes over gets rid of the death penalty for apostasy from Islam, and converting others from Islam. But I doubt there will be just this magical sudden embrace of the west; Iran will still have its own interests.
Funny you bring up Catholic Charities... the one major organization that didn't go secular. Catholic projects don't untether from the Catholic Church. They have a strong financial backing and support structure that goes back over a thousand years and were propped up by the worlds largest empires. Not easy to extinguish even for megadonors and special interests. I don't think the government should pay out to them either. We should stop using the government as the national "go fund me" at gunpoint.
He did! And I doubt a lot of people know about that; or what the prophetic significance of that is. People mocked when President Bush said God told him to invade Iraq; and I myself doubted that was actually the case.... but maybe. I doubt any Iraqi leaders will try that again any time soon.
I'm not sure how old you are or exactly how much you know about Islam and how each Arab nation practices it, but the Islamic nations have been at war with each other forever because of their Sunni & Shiite differences. They'll kill each other one day and then come together for a brief moment to kill non-Muslims the next...right before they go back to killing each other.
They are an unpredictable people and none of the surrounding nations of Israel should ever have been allowed on Trump's Peace Board for Gaza. None of them can be trusted because they all say one thing while they do just the opposite behind everyone's back. Iran is prime proof of that. I can't believe we've been dealing with them for as long as we have because they've always played the same cards from the same deck for decades now to deceive people. Just like Hamas & Hezbollah, which Iran financially supports.
In one of his other videos, Jay Smith (from the OP's video) was saying that there are breakthroughs in the Middle-East where the Arab royalty is more interested in domestic law & order, and making money (of course), than they are in adhering to Islamic clergy.... whether or not that is true; I guess we'll find out soon enough.
Given the homonym; I'm not sure the "board of peace" was really supposed to be taken super-seriously; so much as it was meant to be token effort by the President to show that we're open to collaboration.
Personally, I think Trump, like all the Presidents before him have absolutely no idea what they're dealing with when it comes to negotiating anything with Muslim nations. They are quickly finding out by negotiating with Iran. Iran says they'll negotiate and then they turn around the next day and do just the opposite of what they say they will do. That is Islam. If you have to lie to achieve your goals in Islam, it's all good.
What most people don't realize about Islam (at least the radicals) is that they don't even believe in negotiating. They fake it. It has always been their belief and motto that everything should be done through "resistance" and fighting. Years ago, I noticed that every time the United Nations came together to even discuss creating a two-state solution for Israel, Hamas would start shooting rockets into southern Israel to bring such talks to a halt. Neither Israel or the radical Muslims want a two-state solution. Israel knows the radical Muslims can't be trusted and Islamic terrorist groups have stated in their Charter documents that taking over ALL of Israel is their goal. They weren't joking when they said that they wanted to remove Israel from the map. In fact, most Muslim countries today won't even place the nation of Israel on their maps because they consider it illegitimate. It is against their religion to accept Israel as a Jewish state.
Bottom line, there will NEVER be peace in the Middle East and God/Jesus return is the ONLY thing that's going to straighten it out like Zechariah chapter 12 tells us.
GOING ON THE OFFENSE
I'm going to go on the offense myself here real quick; because I think there's something important to add to what Jay had to say.... Yes, Paul went into the synagogues and "confronted the pharisees"; but, him doing that was Paul carrying forth the natural progression of God's covenant people- he didn't go into pagan temples and lay down a verbal assault on the Priestess of Whatevergoddess, or bust into a brothel and whip the harlots into chastity.
When jay says "some of you need to go on the offense"; I don't think he means just "any" some of you. You gotta have a legit calling, and go about doing it in the right way, or you'll probably just end up making people angry and possibly dying for no reason, depending on how much of a risk taker you are.
If American white Joe Christian just randomly walks up into a mosque and starts putting down islam... that is not the same as Jesus or Paul walking into a Synagogue in the first century and bringing in the gospel. Jesus and Paul had 4000 years of biblical culture and tradition in common with those people; and the synagogues were made for God's people. The Muslims reject the Old and New testaments as corrupt, and their mosques a house of deception. They're not the same.
I love Charlie Kirk, and I love where his theology was going, and I think he was on the right track as far as where we intersect with politics so on; but he went places where he was not welcome, okay. He went into a place where people pay to go develop their job skills and made it something confrontational for them. Paul has some confrontation with metalsmiths; but he doesn't set up a table outside their guild hall with a provocative message that messes with the heads of people trying to learn their smithing; he went into public forums and similar areas where people normally had discourse. I'm not saying Charlie was necessarily wrong for doing it- if God wanted him to do it, then God wanted him to do it; but it isn't normal practice to disrupt people going about their business. Of course our stupid institutions put big forums for people to provoke one another right in the middle of a place of learning... but that beast is another discussion.
Cavalry Chapel types like to draw similarities between Judaism and Islam because they're both strict monothiests; but that's like saying somebody is the same as somebody else because they both like cheeseburgers.
Another thing they like to do is attack the modest dress of Muslim women; it is dumb to attack people for something that isn't really biblically wrong. The Shah's government did that in Iran; and we got the Islamic Republic out of that. Good job.
Assimilation doesn't mean you leave ALL your culture at home when you migrate to the US. It just means you need to lay aside parts of your culture that conflict with the Constitution. Come here and make Chinese food; but don't bring your loyalty to the CCP. Leave that at the border. Bring your Judaism or Taoism or whatever; but don't be trying to take over the government and make people follow it. Islam really is not compatible; we say some are "moderate muslims" and maybe are less incompatible... but... it's really not at the core... and that's why Jay Smiths work is so important; because he's equipping people to be ready for that.
I'm going to go on the offense myself here real quick; because I think there's something important to add to what Jay had to say.... Yes, Paul went into the synagogues and "confronted the pharisees"; but, him doing that was Paul carrying forth the natural progression of God's covenant people- he didn't go into pagan temples and lay down a verbal assault on the Priestess of Whatevergoddess, or bust into a brothel and whip the harlots into chastity.
When jay says "some of you need to go on the offense"; I don't think he means just "any" some of you. You gotta have a legit calling, and go about doing it in the right way, or you'll probably just end up making people angry and possibly dying for no reason, depending on how much of a risk taker you are.
If American white Joe Christian just randomly walks up into a mosque and starts putting down islam... that is not the same as Jesus or Paul walking into a Synagogue in the first century and bringing in the gospel. Jesus and Paul had 4000 years of biblical culture and tradition in common with those people; and the synagogues were made for God's people. The Muslims reject the Old and New testaments as corrupt, and their mosques a house of deception. They're not the same.
I love Charlie Kirk, and I love where his theology was going, and I think he was on the right track as far as where we intersect with politics so on; but he went places where he was not welcome, okay. He went into a place where people pay to go develop their job skills and made it something confrontational for them. Paul has some confrontation with metalsmiths; but he doesn't set up a table outside their guild hall with a provocative message that messes with the heads of people trying to learn their smithing; he went into public forums and similar areas where people normally had discourse. I'm not saying Charlie was necessarily wrong for doing it- if God wanted him to do it, then God wanted him to do it; but it isn't normal practice to disrupt people going about their business. Of course our stupid institutions put big forums for people to provoke one another right in the middle of a place of learning... but that beast is another discussion.
Cavalry Chapel types like to draw similarities between Judaism and Islam because they're both strict monothiests; but that's like saying somebody is the same as somebody else because they both like cheeseburgers.
Another thing they like to do is attack the modest dress of Muslim women; it is dumb to attack people for something that isn't really biblically wrong. The Shah's government did that in Iran; and we got the Islamic Republic out of that. Good job.
Assimilation doesn't mean you leave ALL your culture at home when you migrate to the US. It just means you need to lay aside parts of your culture that conflict with the Constitution. Come here and make Chinese food; but don't bring your loyalty to the CCP. Leave that at the border. Bring your Judaism or Taoism or whatever; but don't be trying to take over the government and make people follow it. Islam really is not compatible; we say some are "moderate muslims" and maybe are less incompatible... but... it's really not at the core... and that's why Jay Smiths work is so important; because he's equipping people to be ready for that.
What must the church do to confront this evil? How do we prepare?
A majority of Christians dont believe in voting or even getting into politics.
Let alone the many so called churches having division among them selves.
One would have to admit that the hedge of protection and blessing from are gracious God is rapidly declining as lawlessness, rebellion, and anti semitisim is increasing.
A majority of Christians dont believe in voting or even getting into politics.
Let alone the many so called churches having division among them selves.
One would have to admit that the hedge of protection and blessing from are gracious God is rapidly declining as lawlessness, rebellion, and anti semitisim is increasing.