You are talking out of both sides of your mouth. When someone is walking in the flesh, they are sinning because they are living independently of God. And if they aren't indwelt by the Spirit of God, they can only walk according to the flesh. Further, no one operating in the flesh is exercising faith. They aren't pleasing God.
Yes, in title not power.
The Holy Spirit dwelled within Him while he was on earth, this is why he routinely said the Father was greater than Him and said His power came from the Father.
Christ, while here, was a perfect example of humanity and how we are with God. He is an example to us all. If you insinuate that Christ also still was 100% God in power too, then the verses that talk about Him being in lower than the angels, and that He gains the Holy Spirit through the Father that "dwells" in him, automatically changes his humanity. You cannot claim He is fully God form, power and all, and also fully human. Which makes him NOT an example as He has an unfair advantage.
Perfection incorporates being sinless, its not absent of it. So be perfect as the Father is, incorporates love and maturity but again, doesn't negate sinless because the Father IS sinless. And no, true "sinless" isn't being God. God incorporates more than just his status of perfection. He's also incredibly powerful, wise and never had a beginning that makes Him "God". No one can truly "be" God. But we are supposed to imitate him, which includes his perfection.
Jesus was formed in Mary's womb by God's will.
Since Christ said his power came from the Father, that means Christ can be our 100% perfect human example that we can be perfect. It's obtainable.
I appreciate your perspective on our discussion, but we fundamentally differ on whether Christians sin on a daily basis or not at all. The discussion further broadened to what salvation in OT saints consisted in. We definitely don't agree.@Cameron143 @Freed18
Just a perspective, but it seems like you both agree on the premise, but disagree with specific word choices. Cameron, you essentially repeated the concept that Freed said just with different wording. I just wanted to throw that out there because it seems like you're talking passed each other but essentially agree on the basis that's being said.
I could be wrong, but that's what it seems like to me.
He was perfect because ,for lack of a better description,he channeled through ever particle of his being,God. Which is why his power was from God. He was God with us, Immanuel/Emmanuel.
Jesus was God made flesh. He was born Sinless. Incapable of Sinning.
Scripture says we will be like Him. How do you define perfect? Mature in the faith?
Christ like,being like him, is actively reflecting the character, attitudes, actions, and love of Jesus Christ in daily life.Scripture says we will be like Him. How do you define perfect? Mature in the faith?
That's the point of the holy spirit. Since God is perfect with the Holy Spirit indwelling, that means we can be refined to perfection.
Correct. So with His indwelling, perfection is obtainable.
I did not. My stance has always been that we have the ability to become sinless through Christ and His work in us.
We will be like Him at the end of this age... as per 1 John ch 3 v 2. Until then
That would depend on which definition fo "flesh" you use.
I agree, if your version of "flesh" matches mine.
OT men had the sacrifices for sin of the Mosaic Law.
Not to derail anything here, but Jesus was the Word made flesh...and it was the Word that was with God and was God.
(You could have expressed that a bit better)
I disagree.
