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By the way, if you wish to challenge my claim of your ignorance, a simple point. You dismissed supporters of the Heliopolis temple as "heretics". This is all well and good, so long as you are willing to accept that a few NT writers, including Matthew, Mark, Luke John and Paul, all cited your heretics as writing scripture as the translators of Isaiah for the Septuagint supported the second temple.. Now if you have a problem with heretics writing scripture, you have a brand-new problem, and a much bigger one. But of course, if you instead backtrack and remove the charge of the supporters being heretics, you have the problem of solid evidence of henotheism well after your claim that the Jews were monotheistic. Your ignorance created a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" problem for yourself.

But the only other option is to admit that there is a huge problem in your theology, which is exactly what I am claiming.

Again, merely saying someone is ignorant or has a problem in their theology does not make your opinion true, and nothing in your diatribe qualifies as evidence of anything.
Again, unless you will share one full explanation of one point at a time in this open forum for us all to discuss, you are correct in saying there is no basis for conversation.
We await your decision. :cautious:
 
Again, merely saying someone is ignorant or has a problem in their theology does not make your opinion true, and nothing in your diatribe qualifies as evidence of anything.
Again, unless you will share one full explanation of one point at a time in this open forum for us all to discuss, you are correct in saying there is no basis for conversation.
We await your decision. :cautious:
You want a simple answer? I highly doubt that you know enough, but read Ephesians IN CONTEXT, that does not mean in light of the rest of the NT as you understand it, but within the context of the Roman world in the 1st century. Read in that context it self-dates to a very specific period. It also has Paul virtually screaming that he has been arrested and charged with treason. It only takes about 40 8 1/2x11 pages to make that point, filling in information that is typically not covered in seminary as it would violate their "Statement of Faith".

But to help you with context, three questions, in order of ease of answering as well as each building on the answers from the preceding ones. and I will also provide some hints as to where to look for answers. The first should be fairly easy, the second will likely take some careful research, the last is downright obscure, but supported with replicable scientific evidence.

1) Was Paul Herodian? Hints, Josephus, Acts, Paul's own letters Tacitus, Suetonius, numerous biblical commentaries, biblical peer reviewed journals, and numerous Bible information websites.

2) Were the Herodian pro-Messianic? Hints, the Gospels, Acts, Josephus, Tacitus, Seutonius, several biblical commentaries. biblical peer reviewed journals, several scholarly numismatic books and peer reviewed journals (Morton Jensen is good).

3) Who scourged Jesus? Hints, the gospels in light of Ovid, Tacitus and Suetonius (pay careful attention to Cassius, Varus and Tiberius among others), Paul's letters, but the key lies in a two- or three-line footnote in an Italian peer reviewed journal, if you cannot read Italian I can try to refer you to an English translation. The footnote refers to the scientific evidence but was not fully appreciated as the writer follows tradition and the evidence contradicts tradition.

Let me know if you need more specifics on any of the hints. I would have to dig through a 500+ source bibliography, but if you ask nicely, I might find the time. But since you claim to be so well educated, it would seem unlikely that you need the help.

Additional hints, yes, yes and the Temple authorities, otherwise some claims made in the gospels, away from the accounts of the scourging, fall apart. The scientific evidence tilts the scourging away from the Romans.
 
You want a simple answer? I highly doubt that you know enough, but read Ephesians IN CONTEXT, that does not mean in light of the rest of the NT as you understand it, but within the context of the Roman world in the 1st century. Read in that context it self-dates to a very specific period. It also has Paul virtually screaming that he has been arrested and charged with treason. It only takes about 40 8 1/2x11 pages to make that point, filling in information that is typically not covered in seminary as it would violate their "Statement of Faith".

But to help you with context, three questions, in order of ease of answering as well as each building on the answers from the preceding ones. and I will also provide some hints as to where to look for answers. The first should be fairly easy, the second will likely take some careful research, the last is downright obscure, but supported with replicable scientific evidence.

1) Was Paul Herodian? Hints, Josephus, Acts, Paul's own letters Tacitus, Suetonius, numerous biblical commentaries, biblical peer reviewed journals, and numerous Bible information websites.

2) Were the Herodian pro-Messianic? Hints, the Gospels, Acts, Josephus, Tacitus, Seutonius, several biblical commentaries. biblical peer reviewed journals, several scholarly numismatic books and peer reviewed journals (Morton Jensen is good).

3) Who scourged Jesus? Hints, the gospels in light of Ovid, Tacitus and Suetonius (pay careful attention to Cassius, Varus and Tiberius among others), Paul's letters, but the key lies in a two- or three-line footnote in an Italian peer reviewed journal, if you cannot read Italian I can try to refer you to an English translation. The footnote refers to the scientific evidence but was not fully appreciated as the writer follows tradition and the evidence contradicts tradition.

Let me know if you need more specifics on any of the hints. I would have to dig through a 500+ source bibliography, but if you ask nicely, I might find the time. But since you claim to be so well educated, it would seem unlikely that you need the help.

Additional hints, yes, yes and the Temple authorities, otherwise some claims made in the gospels, away from the accounts of the scourging, fall apart. The scientific evidence tilts the scourging away from the Romans.
1. Was Paul Herodian?
We don’t have hard evidence that Paul was Herodian.
What we do have:
He was a Roman citizen (Acts 22:28).
He had some kind of elite background and education.
He knew people in high places and moved comfortably in Roman and Jewish circles.
What we don’t have:
Any explicit statement in Acts, Paul’s letters, Josephus, Tacitus, or Suetonius that he was related to the Herodian dynasty.
So: possible? maybe. demonstrable? no. Most scholars treat “Paul as Herodian” as an interesting hypothesis, not a proven fact.
2. Were the Herodians pro‑Messianic?
They were pro‑power, not pro‑Messiah in the biblical sense.
Herod the Great and his line were political rulers, installed and sustained by Rome.
They used Jewish religious language when it suited them, but they were not waiting for or promoting the kind of Messiah Jesus claimed to be.
In the Gospels, “Herodians” appear as political allies of Herod, not as spiritual seekers of the true Messiah.
So: they were pro‑Herod, not pro‑Jesus‑type Messiah.
3. Who scourged Jesus?
The Romans, under Pilate.
All four Gospels agree Jesus was handed over to Roman authority and that the soldiers who mocked and scourged Him were Roman.
The inscription on the cross, the charge, and the execution method (crucifixion) are all Roman judicial markers, not Temple penalties.
Any “scientific evidence” tilting the scourging toward Temple authorities is, at best, speculative and runs against the unanimous textual witness.
So: textually and historically, the scourging is Roman.
On Ephesians, dating, and treason:
Many scholars date Ephesians later and even question Pauline authorship; others defend it as Pauline from a Roman imprisonment.
If Pauline, the charge is effectively disturbing imperial order by preaching another Lord (Christ)—which Rome could frame as treason.
But that’s an inference from context, not a line where Paul “screams” the exact legal charge.
 
You want a simple answer? I highly doubt that you know enough, but read Ephesians IN CONTEXT, that does not mean in light of the rest of the NT as you understand it, but within the context of the Roman world in the 1st century. Read in that context it self-dates to a very specific period. It also has Paul virtually screaming that he has been arrested and charged with treason. It only takes about 40 8 1/2x11 pages to make that point, filling in information that is typically not covered in seminary as it would violate their "Statement of Faith".

But to help you with context, three questions, in order of ease of answering as well as each building on the answers from the preceding ones. and I will also provide some hints as to where to look for answers. The first should be fairly easy, the second will likely take some careful research, the last is downright obscure, but supported with replicable scientific evidence.

1) Was Paul Herodian? Hints, Josephus, Acts, Paul's own letters Tacitus, Suetonius, numerous biblical commentaries, biblical peer reviewed journals, and numerous Bible information websites.

2) Were the Herodian pro-Messianic? Hints, the Gospels, Acts, Josephus, Tacitus, Seutonius, several biblical commentaries. biblical peer reviewed journals, several scholarly numismatic books and peer reviewed journals (Morton Jensen is good).

3) Who scourged Jesus? Hints, the gospels in light of Ovid, Tacitus and Suetonius (pay careful attention to Cassius, Varus and Tiberius among others), Paul's letters, but the key lies in a two- or three-line footnote in an Italian peer reviewed journal, if you cannot read Italian I can try to refer you to an English translation. The footnote refers to the scientific evidence but was not fully appreciated as the writer follows tradition and the evidence contradicts tradition.

Let me know if you need more specifics on any of the hints. I would have to dig through a 500+ source bibliography, but if you ask nicely, I might find the time. But since you claim to be so well educated, it would seem unlikely that you need the help.

Additional hints, yes, yes and the Temple authorities, otherwise some claims made in the gospels, away from the accounts of the scourging, fall apart. The scientific evidence tilts the scourging away from the Romans.

Understanding context as the rest of the NT is critical and as 1st century world is helpful.
Paul's prison epistles indicate that he was arrested for preaching the Gospel (Eph. 6:19-20, Phil. 1:13-17, Col. 4:3&10).

Paul converted from being a Pharisee to being a Christian (Gal. 1:11-2:16).

I always want specific evidence rather than mere hints or questions.
I claim to be a somewhat educated truthseeker, but not a know-it-all, so I continue to learn.

I created the thread "What folks have learned via CC discussions" for the purpose
of encouraging everyone to be a truthseeker/willing to amend false beliefs in accordance with 2Thes. 2:10.
 
Understanding context as the rest of the NT is critical and as 1st century world is helpful.
Paul's prison epistles indicate that he was arrested for preaching the Gospel (Eph. 6:19-20, Phil. 1:13-17, Col. 4:3&10).

Paul converted from being a Pharisee to being a Christian (Gal. 1:11-2:16).

I always want specific evidence rather than mere hints or questions.
I claim to be a somewhat educated truthseeker, but not a know-it-all, so I continue to learn.

I created the thread "What folks have learned via CC discussions" for the purpose
of encouraging everyone to be a truthseeker/willing to amend false beliefs in accordance with 2Thes. 2:10.
I will help out any way I can. I'm all about scripture 😊
 
I will help out any way I can. I'm all about scripture 😊

Me too, which is why I am glad my initials are GW.
A way you might help is by posting an item on the thread about "What folks have learned via CC discussions",
which hopefully will encourage folks to be truthseekers/willing to amend beliefs.
I recently posted a summary of what folks have shared so far, which is not much. :(
 
Understanding context as the rest of the NT is critical and as 1st century world is helpful.
Paul's prison epistles indicate that he was arrested for preaching the Gospel (Eph. 6:19-20, Phil. 1:13-17, Col. 4:3&10).

Paul converted from being a Pharisee to being a Christian (Gal. 1:11-2:16).

I always want specific evidence rather than mere hints or questions.
I claim to be a somewhat educated truthseeker, but not a know-it-all, so I continue to learn.

I created the thread "What folks have learned via CC discussions" for the purpose
of encouraging everyone to be a truthseeker/willing to amend false beliefs in accordance with 2Thes. 2:10.
Specific evidence is available, but to present it all and show why it fits far better than tradition takes far too many words for this forum. Questions,, however, can make one stop to think, or possibly close their eyes, plug there ears and sing "la, la, la" in an attempt to avoid having to recognize that the question was asked.


































Understanding context as the rest of the NT is critical and as 1st century world is helpful.
Paul's prison epistles indicate that he was arrested for preaching the Gospel (Eph. 6:19-20, Phil. 1:13-17, Col. 4:3&10).

Paul converted from being a Pharisee to being a Christian (Gal. 1:11-2:16).

I always want specific evidence rather than mere hints or questions.
I claim to be a somewhat educated truthseeker, but not a know-it-all, so I continue to learn.

I created the thread "What folks have learned via CC discussions" for the purpose
of encouraging everyone to be a truthseeker/willing to amend false beliefs in accordance with 2Thes. 2:10.
Evidence is available, but it comes in massive junks, not suitable for presentation in this forum. If you want evidence, I can point in you the direction, but you will have to read the volumes yourself. In many cases I suspect you will glance at it and reject it without actually reading. At least one reviewer, with regards to one specific book, stated that he saw the title and immediately doubted that the book would be worthwhile, but he had agreed to review it before knowing what it was. But he also admitted that after reading the evidence presented, he concluded that the case being presented was made and that it drastically changed how he regarded the discussed work in the NT.

Questions are an approach used by educators to guide their students to consider alternatives to the students preferred belief system. Mature students welcome the challenge and recognize that while alternative viewpoints may not be correct or acceptable, that they do sharpen one's own viewpoint, even if they do not change it. The immature do not want their viewpoints challenged.

So sorry if I take a professorial approach to people who do not want their viewpoints challenged.
 
1. Was Paul Herodian?
We don’t have hard evidence that Paul was Herodian.
What we do have:
He was a Roman citizen (Acts 22:28).
He had some kind of elite background and education.
He knew people in high places and moved comfortably in Roman and Jewish circles.
What we don’t have:
Any explicit statement in Acts, Paul’s letters, Josephus, Tacitus, or Suetonius that he was related to the Herodian dynasty.
So: possible? maybe. demonstrable? no. Most scholars treat “Paul as Herodian” as an interesting hypothesis, not a proven fact.
2. Were the Herodians pro‑Messianic?
They were pro‑power, not pro‑Messiah in the biblical sense.
Herod the Great and his line were political rulers, installed and sustained by Rome.
They used Jewish religious language when it suited them, but they were not waiting for or promoting the kind of Messiah Jesus claimed to be.
In the Gospels, “Herodians” appear as political allies of Herod, not as spiritual seekers of the true Messiah.
So: they were pro‑Herod, not pro‑Jesus‑type Messiah.
3. Who scourged Jesus?
The Romans, under Pilate.
All four Gospels agree Jesus was handed over to Roman authority and that the soldiers who mocked and scourged Him were Roman.
The inscription on the cross, the charge, and the execution method (crucifixion) are all Roman judicial markers, not Temple penalties.
Any “scientific evidence” tilting the scourging toward Temple authorities is, at best, speculative and runs against the unanimous textual witness.
So: textually and historically, the scourging is Roman.
On Ephesians, dating, and treason:
Many scholars date Ephesians later and even question Pauline authorship; others defend it as Pauline from a Roman imprisonment.
If Pauline, the charge is effectively disturbing imperial order by preaching another Lord (Christ)—which Rome could frame as treason.
But that’s an inference from context, not a line where Paul “screams” the exact legal charge.
You are correct that there is no solid statement about Paul being Herodian. What is known is that while being born a Roman citizen, which since Luke writing in Acts has Paul claim, would be highly unlikely for a Jew. all of Herod the Great's descendants were Roman citizens by birth. Someone gaining Roman citizenship in exchange for some fee or action rarely granted citizenship to their offspring.

Herodian and Antipas, according to their numismatics, supported messianic beliefs. Where Herod the Great supported civic beneficial construction and/or statures also fits with messianic beliefs. That includes his constructions in Samnia, historic home of the Sabines, of whom Pontius Pilate was plausibly one, and you might know that according to the long version of Acts, Pontius Pilate became Christian. Antipas continued many of the construction projects that his father began, and while both were charged with offenses against Judaism, the historic records do not support the charges. Rather they support strong anti-Roman sentiments, and obscure pro-(Jesus)messianic ones. Tradition just buries the evidence as best it can.

Yes the gospels loudly proclaim that the Romans scourged Jesus, while very quietly offering denials. Nicodemus and Joseph of Aramithea were both "high=ranking" members of a Jewish governing body that had very few permanent members, like maybe two to four permanent members, all of whom would be high-ranking, not at all like the Roman Senate that had numerous members and where politics and family background determined one's rank. Thus, when two ranking individuals are specifically included in an action and a third is specifically excluded, while a fourth is implied as being excluded, out of a possible maximum field of four. it gets rather easy to identify who did what. But officially, the Jews had to be demanding Jesus's death against Pilate's objections and attempts at deferral, otherwise the Romans were to blame and given that Rome crushed the Jewish rebellion, they could not have done any wrong in the death of Jesus.

As for Ephesians, again context, context, context. Ephesians, as written, makes sense in a very narrow period in the 1st century. Most scholars do not admit to this point, as it contradicts Acts. Paul's comments in other letters also fit with this timeframe. Further, comments in other letters fit with evidence that Paul, not just in his recorded statements about Jesus as Lord, but likely in other unrecorded statements, went even farther towards statements that would be considered treason. There is evidence in John, which also have parallels in Paul, that likewise suggest that Paul would have been seen as treasonous. Mark is a third work supporting such a charge, as is Matthew. Luke/Acts however, makes specific comments to deny any such connections.

When one wants to find the truth, it is beneficial to poke at the points that appear to be coverings. If they are not hiding something they will remain solid, but if they are covering something, poking at them just might chip away the covering and expose what is being hidden. Tradition claims that there is nothing being covered up, I poke at places (places that appear to be weak spots) that seem to be hiding something. Those who want to support tradition over potential (maybe actual) truth hate someone poking at weak spots as such poking might uncover something tradition wants to keep concealed (perhaps actual truth).
 
You are correct that there is no solid statement about Paul being Herodian. What is known is that while being born a Roman citizen, which since Luke writing in Acts has Paul claim, would be highly unlikely for a Jew. all of Herod the Great's descendants were Roman citizens by birth. Someone gaining Roman citizenship in exchange for some fee or action rarely granted citizenship to their offspring.

Herodian and Antipas, according to their numismatics, supported messianic beliefs. Where Herod the Great supported civic beneficial construction and/or statures also fits with messianic beliefs. That includes his constructions in Samnia, historic home of the Sabines, of whom Pontius Pilate was plausibly one, and you might know that according to the long version of Acts, Pontius Pilate became Christian. Antipas continued many of the construction projects that his father began, and while both were charged with offenses against Judaism, the historic records do not support the charges. Rather they support strong anti-Roman sentiments, and obscure pro-(Jesus)messianic ones. Tradition just buries the evidence as best it can.

Yes the gospels loudly proclaim that the Romans scourged Jesus, while very quietly offering denials. Nicodemus and Joseph of Aramithea were both "high=ranking" members of a Jewish governing body that had very few permanent members, like maybe two to four permanent members, all of whom would be high-ranking, not at all like the Roman Senate that had numerous members and where politics and family background determined one's rank. Thus, when two ranking individuals are specifically included in an action and a third is specifically excluded, while a fourth is implied as being excluded, out of a possible maximum field of four. it gets rather easy to identify who did what. But officially, the Jews had to be demanding Jesus's death against Pilate's objections and attempts at deferral, otherwise the Romans were to blame and given that Rome crushed the Jewish rebellion, they could not have done any wrong in the death of Jesus.

As for Ephesians, again context, context, context. Ephesians, as written, makes sense in a very narrow period in the 1st century. Most scholars do not admit to this point, as it contradicts Acts. Paul's comments in other letters also fit with this timeframe. Further, comments in other letters fit with evidence that Paul, not just in his recorded statements about Jesus as Lord, but likely in other unrecorded statements, went even farther towards statements that would be considered treason. There is evidence in John, which also have parallels in Paul, that likewise suggest that Paul would have been seen as treasonous. Mark is a third work supporting such a charge, as is Matthew. Luke/Acts however, makes specific comments to deny any such connections.

When one wants to find the truth, it is beneficial to poke at the points that appear to be coverings. If they are not hiding something they will remain solid, but if they are covering something, poking at them just might chip away the covering and expose what is being hidden. Tradition claims that there is nothing being covered up, I poke at places (places that appear to be weak spots) that seem to be hiding something. Those who want to support tradition over potential (maybe actual) truth hate someone poking at weak spots as such poking might uncover something tradition wants to keep concealed (perhaps actual truth).
There is a lot here. Your overall argument is thoughtful and shows a historian’s instinct for probing anomalies, but its evidential strength varies sharply across the points you raise.Keep pressing into the cracks with patience and courage, because every honest question has the potential to bring the truth into clearer light.
 
Specific evidence is available, but to present it all and show why it fits far better than tradition takes far too many words for this forum. Questions,, however, can make one stop to think, or possibly close their eyes, plug there ears and sing "la, la, la" in an attempt to avoid having to recognize that the question was asked.



Evidence is available, but it comes in massive junks, not suitable for presentation in this forum. If you want evidence, I can point in you the direction, but you will have to read the volumes yourself. In many cases I suspect you will glance at it and reject it without actually reading. At least one reviewer, with regards to one specific book, stated that he saw the title and immediately doubted that the book would be worthwhile, but he had agreed to review it before knowing what it was. But he also admitted that after reading the evidence presented, he concluded that the case being presented was made and that it drastically changed how he regarded the discussed work in the NT.

Questions are an approach used by educators to guide their students to consider alternatives to the students preferred belief system. Mature students welcome the challenge and recognize that while alternative viewpoints may not be correct or acceptable, that they do sharpen one's own viewpoint, even if they do not change it. The immature do not want their viewpoints challenged.

So sorry if I take a professorial approach to people who do not want their viewpoints challenged.

I understand, because I have spent much of my life studying various topics and summarizing it for folks,
including enumerating the teachings of Jesus and Paul, listing key OT passages, kissing the history of beliefs, explaining why Christianity is the best belief, explaining God's requirement for salvation, sharing various didachaic topics and conducting systematic studies of Scripture. I also have a thread with the OP of asking questions.

I encourage you to persevere in trying to make a short/postable version of anything that is worth bothering about.
 
I understand, because I have spent much of my life studying various topics and summarizing it for folks,
including enumerating the teachings of Jesus and Paul, listing key OT passages, kissing the history of beliefs, explaining why Christianity is the best belief, explaining God's requirement for salvation, sharing various didachaic topics and conducting systematic studies of Scripture. I also have a thread with the OP of asking questions.

I encourage you to persevere in trying to make a short/postable version of anything that is worth bothering about.
When, if I am correct, there is a history of 1950+ years of active concealment, it is hard to break through all that coverup without making a serious argument, and such is not brief. I am seeing active, deliberate concealment into the 14th century. There might be solid proof of said concealment, but if it exists, it is stored when only those approved have access, and likely buried in amongst lots of other papers.

In the meantime, I am reworking my introduction and working on a conclusion to a book. I have been told I need to make my work two books, and the first is largely finished, that I am struggling with what should be part of the second.
 
I understand, because I have spent much of my life studying various topics and summarizing it for folks,
including enumerating the teachings of Jesus and Paul, listing key OT passages, kissing the history of beliefs, explaining why Christianity is the best belief, explaining God's requirement for salvation, sharing various didachaic topics and conducting systematic studies of Scripture. I also have a thread with the OP of asking questions.

I encourage you to persevere in trying to make a short/postable version of anything that is worth bothering about.
And if you are unfamiliar with him, reading about Corbulo and his career, especially under Nero, might be interesting for you. For a time, he was second only to Nero, able to order around other imperial governors..
 
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In ancient Rome one's official reputation was dictated by one's last success or failure. A success absolved all previous failures, and a failure absolved all previous successes., and one's overall behavior followed that pattern. If a person died in disrepute, why their whole life had shown such signs, while if they died respectable, their whole life had been respectable. Comments about people while they were living also show this pattern.

Mithradates was a major threat when he killed off all Latins in Anatolia in a single night, and even more so when Greece successfully rebelled against Rome with his assistance. Sulla managed to recapture Greece and struck a peace treaty with Mithradates, returning Anatolia to Roman approved leadership, he was worthy of praise and honor, Mithradates was just a minor problem that had been properly dealt with. But wait, Sulla did not disband his army but instead brought it back to Italy when some disparaged him, Sulla was bad. Sulla won the battles in Italy and became dictator, Sulla was brilliant, and as he died successful, he remained brilliant.

After Sull's death, Mithradates started a war again, this time with allies in Spain and Italy (Spartacus). Mithradates was a major problem. Spartacus defeated several Roman armies sent to stop him Spartacus was a major problem. Pompey meanwhile managed to put down the rebels in Spain, Pompey was brilliant. Crassus, who had fought alongside Sulla, and even saved him in one battle, defeated Spartacus, he was a brilliant leader, although since Pompey had returned to Italy before Spartacus was fully defeated Pompey shared in the glory. Pompey then went to Anatolia to fight against Mithradates and ended up annexing Syria and bringing Judah into the Roman sphere of influence, so he was even more brilliant. Mithradates reportedly died by treachery, not direct Roman action, so he ended up just being a minor footnote to history. Pompey, Crassus and Julius Caesar worked together to form the First Triumvirate, they were all brilliant and Rome need more leaders like them.

The Crassus decided that Pompey had too much glory and decided to enhance his own, so he invaded Parthia. With initial success, Crassus was a brilliant leader, but the next year when with roughly 45,000 Roman soldiers facing roughly 11,000 Parthians, the Romans lost badly, and Crassus died, he was a total incompetent who should never have led Roman soldiers. And since Parthia followed the fleeing Romans back into Syria, and the general Near East, Parthia was a major threat, although Roman art tried to downplay the threat. Augustus just added to his status gained by defeating all "rebels" after Julius Caesar's death when he recovered the lost Roman Eagles from Parthia.,

Now for Herod, he was a sound choice when the Roman Senate confirmed him, but maybe not as he soon was friendly with the Parthians, but then questionable when he sided with Marc Anthony, but clearly a good choice when he sided with Augustus. He and Obadas, another client king, were blameless when they guided a Roman force to attack Felix Arabia, leading them by an inland route, away from the Roman Navy in the Red Sea, which was destroyed during the six months it took to arrive at their destination, and blameless when the expedition failed, but very good in guiding the Roman survivors back to Roman territory in just 6 weeks by staying closer to the Red Sea shore. But Obadas was bad when he was found to be the aggressor in a spat with Herod a few years later. Then when Herod attacked a fellow client king around 5 BCE, Herod was bad, Obodas's successor, who reportedly took action in support of the attacked king was in a vague category. None of Herod's actions to appease Augustus were successful, so Herod died in disgrace, which was supported by all his despicable actions recorded after his death. Obodas's successor was recognized as a good king when he contributed troops to put down a rebellion by the Jews after Herod's death.

The general pattern continued with Herod Antipas, who minted coins suggestive of support for Jesus and Christianity and others, Joseph Caiaphas, the only possible high-ranking member of the Sanhedrin named "Joseph", Pontius Pilate, whom some traditions claim became Christian after an admittedly scandal filled pre-33 CE time in office and Herod Agrippa I, the successor to Antipas who got into trouble with the Roman authorities before his death.
 
In ancient Rome one's official reputation was dictated by one's last success or failure. A success absolved all previous failures, and a failure absolved all previous successes., and one's overall behavior followed that pattern. If a person died in disrepute, why their whole life had shown such signs, while if they died respectable, their whole life had been respectable. Comments about people while they were living also show this pattern.

Mithradates was a major threat when he killed off all Latins in Anatolia in a single night, and even more so when Greece successfully rebelled against Rome with his assistance. Sulla managed to recapture Greece and struck a peace treaty with Mithradates, returning Anatolia to Roman approved leadership, he was worthy of praise and honor, Mithradates was just a minor problem that had been properly dealt with. But wait, Sulla did not disband his army but instead brought it back to Italy when some disparaged him, Sulla was bad. Sulla won the battles in Italy and became dictator, Sulla was brilliant, and as he died successful, he remained brilliant.

After Sull's death, Mithradates started a war again, this time with allies in Spain and Italy (Spartacus). Mithradates was a major problem. Spartacus defeated several Roman armies sent to stop him Spartacus was a major problem. Pompey meanwhile managed to put down the rebels in Spain, Pompey was brilliant. Crassus, who had fought alongside Sulla, and even saved him in one battle, defeated Spartacus, he was a brilliant leader, although since Pompey had returned to Italy before Spartacus was fully defeated Pompey shared in the glory. Pompey then went to Anatolia to fight against Mithradates and ended up annexing Syria and bringing Judah into the Roman sphere of influence, so he was even more brilliant. Mithradates reportedly died by treachery, not direct Roman action, so he ended up just being a minor footnote to history. Pompey, Crassus and Julius Caesar worked together to form the First Triumvirate, they were all brilliant and Rome need more leaders like them.

The Crassus decided that Pompey had too much glory and decided to enhance his own, so he invaded Parthia. With initial success, Crassus was a brilliant leader, but the next year when with roughly 45,000 Roman soldiers facing roughly 11,000 Parthians, the Romans lost badly, and Crassus died, he was a total incompetent who should never have led Roman soldiers. And since Parthia followed the fleeing Romans back into Syria, and the general Near East, Parthia was a major threat, although Roman art tried to downplay the threat. Augustus just added to his status gained by defeating all "rebels" after Julius Caesar's death when he recovered the lost Roman Eagles from Parthia.,

Now for Herod, he was a sound choice when the Roman Senate confirmed him, but maybe not as he soon was friendly with the Parthians, but then questionable when he sided with Marc Anthony, but clearly a good choice when he sided with Augustus. He and Obadas, another client king, were blameless when they guided a Roman force to attack Felix Arabia, leading them by an inland route, away from the Roman Navy in the Red Sea, which was destroyed during the six months it took to arrive at their destination, and blameless when the expedition failed, but very good in guiding the Roman survivors back to Roman territory in just 6 weeks by staying closer to the Red Sea shore. But Obadas was bad when he was found to be the aggressor in a spat with Herod a few years later. Then when Herod attacked a fellow client king around 5 BCE, Herod was bad, Obodas's successor, who reportedly took action in support of the attacked king was in a vague category. None of Herod's actions to appease Augustus were successful, so Herod died in disgrace, which was supported by all his despicable actions recorded after his death. Obodas's successor was recognized as a good king when he contributed troops to put down a rebellion by the Jews after Herod's death.

The general pattern continued with Herod Antipas, who minted coins suggestive of support for Jesus and Christianity and others, Joseph Caiaphas, the only possible high-ranking member of the Sanhedrin named "Joseph", Pontius Pilate, whom some traditions claim became Christian after an admittedly scandal filled pre-33 CE time in office and Herod Agrippa I, the successor to Antipas who got into trouble with the Roman authorities before his death.
Coins suggestive of support for Jesus and Christianity?!
 
Coins suggestive of support for Jesus and Christianity?!
Actually, just one specific coin although many other coins could also fit.

But this is part of the reason why I argue that knowledge of 1st century politics changes the way we view the NT. Herodians loved to place a star on their coins when the "Star Prophesy" was deemed to be about to be fulfilled for example.
 
Actually, just one specific coin although many other coins could also fit.

But this is part of the reason why I argue that knowledge of 1st century politics changes the way we view the NT. Herodians loved to place a star on their coins when the "Star Prophesy" was deemed to be about to be fulfilled for example.

So, reading between the lines I gather you think that a star on a coin signified Christian faith by Herod Antipas?
 
So, reading between the lines I gather you think that a star on a coin signified Christian faith by Herod Antipas?
No, but it helps confirm a different sign. That along with political realities that is. The frequent presence of a star on Herodian coinage implies that we might be getting some things wrong about the Herodians.

A full explanation of what I am seeing requires a correction in commonly accepted history as well as other explanations, but I have run the full paper past several appropriate people in the respective fields who are widely regarded as experts. The only objection is that what I am seeing, while clearly present, might possibly be an accidental artifact that just happens to fit with the timing and history, highly unlikely but impossible to completely rule out at present. Further studies would require the assistance of Israeli Antiquities authorities who may or may not be sympathetic and willing to cooperate.
 
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