My apologies, I'm a little confused on faith right now. How Is Christianity True?

Kafziel said:

My apologies if I shook your faith, I don't really mean to but I just find logical problems with the existence of an all powerful deity who is helpless to stop Satan.

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U didn't shake my faith , I don't believe in a deity that can't stop satan , i believe that satan is a metaphor ( there r a lot of them in the Bible , in case u didn't know this ) for ; sin in the flesh . Satan opposes God , who does that ? Us ,that's who , sinful human beings . Humanity as it now is , cast out of Eden , estranged from the presence of our Creator because of our disobedience and lack of love for and faith in our God , that's sin in the flesh , that's us , disobedient and faithless , the very definition of sin , satan . The heart ( the HUMAN HEART , us ! ) is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked , who can know it . Think that's from Jeremiah but , my memory may b at fault .
God has devised a pure means of reconciliation for us , the man , the sinless man Jesus Christ , who willingly offered himself to b the propitiation for our sins , OUR SINS , in order to b a part of this plan of salvation we have to acknowledge OUR SINS . We cannot blame our sins on a dissembodied fiend that led us astray , WE lead EACH OTHER and OURSELVES astray . If our sins were not our fault , would God blame us for them ? Of course He wouldn't ! Read the Old Testament , how many times does Israel sin ? Does God blame satan for leading Israel astray ? No , He does not , even Israel themselves DO NOT blame a dissembodied fiend , they accept responsibility for their sins . This in itself is an important part of our salvation , TO ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR OUR OWN SINFUL SELVES ! Paul tells us somewhere , every man is led astray by his own desires . We oppose God's Righteous Will , therefore we r satan , sin in the flesh . THERE IS NO SIN WITHOUT FLESH . We r flesh . Get it ? It seems very simple and clear to me . I hope I've made my case in a clear way , I'm not used to teaching / preaching etc .

Kafziel said:

My apologies if I shook your faith, I don't really mean to but I just find logical problems with the existence of an all powerful deity who is helpless to stop Satan.

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Read Jeremiah Ch 13 verses 9-11 . Where does satan come into the equation ? He doesn't , There is only two elements , spirit and flesh , God and humans . THIS EVIL PEOPLE WHICH REFUSE TO HEAR MY WORDS , WHICH WALK IN THE IMAGINATION OF THEIR HEART .
SO HAVE I CAUSED TO CLEAVE UNTO ME THE WHOLE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND THE WHOLE HOUSE OF JUDAH , SAITH THE LORD ; THAT THEY MIGHT BE UNTO ME FOR A PEOPLE , AND FOR A NAME , AND FOR A PRAISE , AND FOR A GLORY : BUT THEY WOULD NOT HEAR .
That is sin . No faith , no love , no obedience . That is the flesh . Faithless , loveless and disobedient . Christians r supposed to walk according to the Spirit , not the flesh .
We r not supposed to walk by sight but by faith . Christ crucified is the death of sin in the flesh to us if , we walk in the Spirit and follow his example , he will lead us to our God .
It is the Spirit that quickens , the flesh profiteth nothing . No mention of satan . Just us in our sinful flesh doing what sinful flesh does . Christ has shown us the way back to our God .

DavidLamb said:

What is sin? Surely it is disobedience of God. Did Adam and Eve disobey God? Yes. The fact that their disobedience is not referred to by the word "sin" in that passage in Genesis 3 makes no difference. Anyway, other passages in the Bible do say that sin was involved. For example:

NKJV Rom 5:12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned—
Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by "a version of themselves." As for the serpent being Satan/the devil, I agree that Genesis 3 does not tell us that, but we have the complete word of God, and Revelation makes clear that the serpent, the devil, and Satan are one and the same:

NKJV Rev 12:9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

I don't see that sin is not a moral matter. Yes, it also affects our relationship with God, but that does not mean it isn't moral, or rather, as far as sin is concerned, immoral.


No relation as far as I am aware. Most of my relatives on my father's sides come from Colchester, Essex (about 56 miles north east of London).

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I do not dispute that there is a moral dimension to sin, I just question whether the moral dimension is primary or secondary. To my mind, the moral issue must be secondary as modern science supports the notion that all of creation is interconnected and thus that whatever one does to another part of creation, they do to themselves.

Thus the question arises, unless one falsely perceives themselves as separate, a relational issue, what moral harm would they inflict on another part of creation, given that doing so would be to injure themselves? I again reference Romans 1:25 and its reference to a single specific lie that people believe that leads to all the moral issues. What lie, other than that the individual is a separable entity, which then allows for various other supposed separable entities, aka false idols, fits?

Now admittedly, once one accepts this lie as truth, the lie will direct the individual to deny the truth by whatever means possible, but if any fragment of free will remains it will be possible to carefully consider this point and consider whether any other lie meets the requirements without this specific lie being foundational. Idolatry, for instance, fails as it requires separable entities.

Now managing to void this lie in one's belief system will require outside intervention, a healing/salvation and cannot be fully accomplished within the physical realm.

rewriter said:

I do not dispute that there is a moral dimension to sin, I just question whether the moral dimension is primary or secondary. To my mind, the moral issue must be secondary as modern science supports the notion that all of creation is interconnected and thus that whatever one does to another part of creation, they do to themselves.

Thus the question arises, unless one falsely perceives themselves as separate, a relational issue, what moral harm would they inflict on another part of creation, given that doing so would be to injure themselves? I again reference Romans 1:25 and its reference to a single specific lie that people believe that leads to all the moral issues. What lie, other than that the individual is a separable entity, which then allows for various other supposed separable entities, aka false idols, fits?

Now admittedly, once one accepts this lie as truth, the lie will direct the individual to deny the truth by whatever means possible, but if any fragment of free will remains it will be possible to carefully consider this point and consider whether any other lie meets the requirements without this specific lie being foundational. Idolatry, for instance, fails as it requires separable entities.

Now managing to void this lie in one's belief system will require outside intervention, a healing/salvation and cannot be fully accomplished within the physical realm.

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Whether or not all of creation is interconnected so that one's action affect the rest of creation is not how sin is defined. John wrote:

NKJV 1Jn 3:4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.

Sin is lawlessness, breaking God's commands. As such, it remains sin whether or not it affects other people or things in creation.

DavidLamb said:

Whether or not all of creation is interconnected so that one's action affect the rest of creation is not how sin is defined. John wrote:

NKJV 1Jn 3:4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.

Sin is lawlessness, breaking God's commands. As such, it remains sin whether or not it affects other people or things in creation.

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And are not the laws of creation laws? If all of creation is interconnected, then it follows that one immutable law is that whatever one does to another aspect of creation, one does to themselves.

And remember, ancient Israel distorted the 10 Commandments, making declarative statements into imperative, statements of truth into statements of law. Today people do similar actions, requiring anything they dislike to be supported by scripture, ignoring that scripture points to the whole of creation as sources of divine knowledge. Scripture even states that it does not record everything related to the divine, but it is still considered to be the sole proper source for divine insights.

One simple example of modern folly and distortion of scripture comes from the Romans passage about the internal battle between the desires to follow the law and the desires of the body. It is recorded by Paul, but it cannot refer to Paul himself, as so many wish to do. There is only one individual who could possibly have made such claims as only one person has ever existed prior to the law, at least according to scripture, and that would be Adam.

Easy understandings of scripture are fine for those young in the faith, but as one matures, the answers get much harder. Typically, by the end of 1st grade, one has access to sufficient knowledge to address any problem, they can read and do math. However, the answers that can easily e found are not adequate and much more schooling is required to properly address many questions, both reading and math skills need to be developed to a much greater extent to adequately address some questions. Knowledge of scripture is fine, but knowledge of far more of reality than is recorded in the scriptures is far better and leads to greater awareness of what the scriptures are saying.

Kafziel said:

I have changed my mind many times but I met the holy spirit, and it's just confused me into thinking I should choose a faith and sometimes that is Christianity and sometimes it is Buddhism. I simply cannot make up my mind. I'm sorry for being wayward.

The holy spirit looks like living water, if you must know, it is a water spirit in other religions.

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How can you meet the Holy Spirit and then be confused,?i would think you seen maybe on the outside but the Inside is Not prepared for the holy spirit abode.That abode is the place if the clean cut out area where the Holy Spirit spirit can go unless He dont ?there is scripture that Let evil excell and that man or woman is worse that they were . Baptism is to Let go of all the world has lead you away from the truth

Kafziel said:

I've thought about your religion time and time again, and one thing bugs me deeply. How is God merciful? I know you like to blame Satan but when Satan rebelled against God it is said he made him like a beast (natural and instinctive) and later let him rule the earth. How is this merciful and kind like the way Jesus was? He unleashed demonic forces upon the world and then blames the natural and instinctive forces he himself unleashed.

We think about the holy trinity and whether Jesus was an accurate representation of God which as far as I can find he was not, because Jesus isn't truly God in the holy trinity. He's not a selfless character like Jesus was and sends others to eternal hell which is not merciful or kind or just.

I'm sorry if I'm confused. I've just became that way.

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It's like your asking how the motor in your car works. Not so easy to answer in a post or two.

But the first thing that needs to happen, is to have an inner part of yourself show an interest in Him.

I'd say you can check that off as happening.

Good for you, your one of the lucky ones.

Kafziel said:

I've thought about your religion time and time again, and one thing bugs me deeply. How is God merciful? I know you like to blame Satan but when Satan rebelled against God it is said he made him like a beast (natural and instinctive) and later let him rule the earth. How is this merciful and kind like the way Jesus was? He unleashed demonic forces upon the world and then blames the natural and instinctive forces he himself unleashed.

We think about the holy trinity and whether Jesus was an accurate representation of God which as far as I can find he was not, because Jesus isn't truly God in the holy trinity. He's not a selfless character like Jesus was and sends others to eternal hell which is not merciful or kind or just.

I'm sorry if I'm confused. I've just became that way.

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Jesus is God. God is just. God sends people to hell because they choose sin instead of the salvation of the Lord Jesus Christ.

(KJV James 1:13-15) "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death."

(KJV Romans 6:23) "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

(KJV Isaiah 9:6) "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

(KJV Isaiah 44:6) "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God."

(KJV Matthew 1:23) "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."

(KJV John 1:1) "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

(KJV John 1:14) "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

(KJV John 8:58) "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am."

(KJV John 10:33) "The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God."

(KJV 1 John 5:7-8) "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."

(KJV 1 John 5:20) "And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life."

(KJV 1 Corinthians 8:6) "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."

(KJV Philippians 2:10) "That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;"

(KJV Colossians 1:16-17) "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."

(KJV 1 Timothy 2:5) "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;"

(KJV Hebrews 1:8) "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."

(KJV Revelation 22:13) "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last."

Kafziel said:

I've thought about your religion time and time again, and one thing bugs me deeply. How is God merciful? I know you like to blame Satan but when Satan rebelled against God it is said he made him like a beast (natural and instinctive) and later let him rule the earth. How is this merciful and kind like the way Jesus was? He unleashed demonic forces upon the world and then blames the natural and instinctive forces he himself unleashed.

We think about the holy trinity and whether Jesus was an accurate representation of God which as far as I can find he was not, because Jesus isn't truly God in the holy trinity. He's not a selfless character like Jesus was and sends others to eternal hell which is not merciful or kind or just.

I'm sorry if I'm confused. I've just became that way.

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You are asking very good questions, I apologize for the fact that so many are discounting them and trying to treat them as trivial. The one comment I have seen that is very good is that it is hard to answer some of them in a single post, or even in just a few posts. Good questions require good answers, not simplistic proof texting.