The parable of the sower.

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The soils are what they are. They don't do anything to the seed. Either they can receive the seed and produce a harvest or they cannot. What you find is the nature of the soil determines its success.
Exactly and precisely.

The road is not wide and with a ton of fanfare. It's quiet, hidden, and known only to a few. Nobody trumpets the narrow path and narrow gate. NOBODY.

So....
The question ALWAYS is:
What kind of soil do you wish to be?

Can a leopard change it's spots?
A tiger its stripes?

I've seen a lot of wooly appearing goats....
But a goat is not a sheep.
 
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Exactly and precisely.

The road is not wide and with a ton of fanfare. It's quiet, hidden, and known only to a few. Nobody trumpets the narrow path and narrow gate. NOBODY.

So....
The question ALWAYS is:
What kind of soil do you wish to be?

Can a leopard change it's spots?
A tiger its stripes?

I've seen a lot of wooly appearing goats....
But a goat is not a sheep.

Would i be correct to call the soil, our hearts?

If they were to Trumpet the narrow path, it wouldn't matter, the wide path travelers are content.
 
Would i be correct to call the soil, our hearts?

If they were to Trumpet the narrow path, it wouldn't matter, the wide path travelers are content.
Nope...
Our soul.

You have a mind, spirit, and body. All three make up a soul...nepesh....as in "the soul who sins dies"
 
Nope...
Our soul.

You have a mind, spirit, and body. All three make up a soul...nepesh....as in "the soul who sins dies"

That would mean that God created every soul different, aka, the 4 soils.

Im not saying the heart is correct either. Maybe it's both.
 
Nope...
Our soul.

You have a mind, spirit, and body. All three make up a soul...nepesh....as in "the soul who sins dies"

I come across the Greek word for soul (psuche) almost every day. And i can say it's the most vague definition of all biblical words. It defined as" the breath of life."
That doesn't give us much. So if were going to talk about the soul, I don't have much.

The heart ( kardia) is defined as the "seat of moral and spiritual life" now that i can take a stand on.
IMU, the heart is almost cultivated, just like the soil we would put a house plant in. The heart is the sum of all experiences, all teaching, good or bad. So God may not have a hand in the cultivating of the heart, the way I would expect He would with the soul.
 
Do what you gotta do .
I will.
I don't need to toss a coin. He's proven to me He is God.
You said there was only two possibilities, either the man was crazy or the man was God. Sounded like you were saying that it was coin toss to me, either head or tails.

I merely pointed out that there are even three sides to a coin.
You crossed paths with the wrong dude!
Why is that? Or rather how is that since the seed doesn't return to the LORD void simply because it was cast on stoney ground.
 
I will.

You said there was only two possibilities, either the man was crazy or the man was God. Sounded like you were saying that it was coin toss to me, either head or tails.

I merely pointed out that there are even three sides to a coin.

Why is that? Or rather how is that since the seed doesn't return to the LORD void simply because it was cast on stoney ground.

Because I've tasted it, there is nothing you can say to tarnish the truth to someone who has tasted the Heavenly gift. Nothing!

So if your seeking, then seek, your where you need to be. Ask the right questions!
 
Because I've tasted it, there is nothing you can say to tarnish the truth to someone who has tasted the Heavenly gift. Nothing!
So if you tasted the heavenly gift, then why did you leave behind the principles of the doctrine of Christ?

Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; Heb 6:1

You can parrot scripture but obviously have no understanding of their meaning.

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:4-5

Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9
 
So if you tasted the heavenly gift, then why did you leave behind the principles of the doctrine of Christ?

Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; Heb 6:1

You can parrot scripture but obviously have no understanding of their meaning.

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:4-5

Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9

Wrong questions.
 
So if you tasted the heavenly gift, then why did you leave behind the principles of the doctrine of Christ?

Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; Heb 6:1

You can parrot scripture but obviously have no understanding of their meaning.

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:4-5

Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9

You started using scripture against Christ, now your trying to use it against me.

You are at the calling of the Father part of the process. Focus on what the correct response is. Your not qualified to use His word yet.
 
So if you tasted the heavenly gift, then why did you leave behind the principles of the doctrine of Christ?

Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; Heb 6:1

You can parrot scripture but obviously have no understanding of their meaning.

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:4-5

Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9

Denominations are not one of my strengths. But I'm sensing you lean towards the Jewish faith? And your still waiting for your true anointed Messiah..
 
I come across the Greek word for soul (psuche) almost every day. And i can say it's the most vague definition of all biblical words. It defined as" the breath of life."
That doesn't give us much. So if were going to talk about the soul, I don't have much.

The heart ( kardia) is defined as the "seat of moral and spiritual life" now that i can take a stand on.
IMU, the heart is almost cultivated, just like the soil we would put a house plant in. The heart is the sum of all experiences, all teaching, good or bad. So God may not have a hand in the cultivating of the heart, the way I would expect He would with the soul.
What the Greeks say is not relevant now is it?
The Jews and the Hebrew language is the point of the matter now isn't it?
"Nation of priests" and all that.
 
What the Greeks say is not relevant now is it?
The Jews and the Hebrew language is the point of the matter now isn't it?
"Nation of priests" and all that.

Well the Greek language is the most precise language on the planet. The Hebrew is the worst language the planet, there's that.

We create our our soul condition? Im still leaning towards we create our own heart condition.
 
What the Greeks say is not relevant now is it?
The Jews and the Hebrew language is the point of the matter now isn't it?
"Nation of priests" and all that.

If you really have something to offer from the Hebrew text, people here could use a good dose of what the true meaning if "Emunah " means. Desperately!
 
Yes, according to Jesus, the soil represents our hearts. Luke 8:15

The "soul" or the "heart" being the soil in the parable of the sower. I've never contemplated this before.

I like considering both options, but I also discern our hearts are the the soil. We could go deeper into how each of our hearts are cultivated. Much of it we don't have any choice in.

I thank JohnDB for bringing up the question.
 
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Yes, according to Jesus, the soil represents our hearts. Luke 8:15

Also, I can't remember where the scriptures are that support this, but it's written that God is playing a kind of entertainment to the eons of time, other universes. Showing us off to other beings for His glory.

The cultivation of the human hearts could be a part of that process. Something that is not set in stone, and is being viewed by others to show Himself off.

Just thinking out loud.
 
Brother, your whole framework misreads Jesus’ purpose in Mark 4 by turning the parable of the sower into a fatalistic sorting mechanism where God intends some people to be permanently unable to understand, and even worse, where people who do understand are still in danger of “not making it” because they’re in the “wrong group.”
But Jesus’ own explanation contradicts that entire system.
He quotes Isaiah 6:9–10 to show that parables function as judicial hardening on those who have already rejected Him — not as a divine refusal to let willing hearers understand.
The disciples understand because they come to Him (Mark 4:10–11); “those outside” don’t understand because they won’t come (John 5:40).
And the “two layers” idea is invented —
Jesus gives four soils, not two layers of insiders.
The only “terrible” group is the one that refuses the Word;
the good soil is simply the heart that receives and bears fruit (Mark 4:20).
Nothing in the passage teaches that someone who “sees and perceives” is still doomed;
Jesus says the opposite — those who hear and receive bear fruit thirty‑, sixty‑, and a hundredfold.
The danger isn’t being in the “wrong insider group”; the danger is hardness, which Scripture says comes from sin’s deceitfulness (Hebrews 3:13), not from God arbitrarily blocking understanding.
Parables reveal truth to those who come to Christ and expose hardness in those who refuse;
the issue is the heart’s response, not a secret hierarchy of “insider layers.”
You have set up a straw man and rebuked it well, but it is not the argument on the table, and worse, your own proof text undoes your case.

You say "the good soil is simply the heart that receives and bears fruit" as though reception and endurance are the same thing, and that anyone who "sees and perceives" is safe by definition. But Jesus does not teach that. Look at the stony ground:

"He that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended." (Matthew 13:20-21)

That is not the wayside hearer who never receives the word at all. This is a hearer who understands enough to receive it with joy. Luke's account makes the danger even plainer:

"They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away." (Luke 8:13)

Luke does not say these people refused the word. He says they believe. For a while. And then they fall away. That single verse is the end of your claim that "nothing in the passage teaches that someone who sees and perceives is still doomed." Scripture says exactly that, in so many words, about a hearer who believes and later falls.

So the four soils are not reducible to "refuses the word" versus "receives and bears fruit," as though there are only two real outcomes wearing four costumes. There is a soil that receives, believes, and still does not endure. That is the whole point of Christ warning of tribulation and the cares of this world choking it out, in the thorny ground as well: "and he becometh unfruitful" (Matthew 13:22), a man who heard, understood enough to grow at all, and still bore nothing in the end.

You are right that Isaiah 6 describes judicial hardening on those who reject, and right that the disciples understood because they came to Him. No one here denies that. But you have argued past the actual danger the parable warns of, which is not limited to outright refusal. The stony and thorny ground are not the wayside. They heard. They received. They are still lost.

If perceiving guaranteed making it, Christ would have had no reason to warn the stony ground hearers at all. He warned them because reception without endurance ends in falling away. That is not a "secret hierarchy of insider layers" invented by me. It is the text, plainly read, with nothing added and nothing softened.