Replacement theology? Yes or No.

cv5 said:

I know two things:
Paul definitely knows, and you do not.

Gal 1:4 - who gave Himself for our sins, that He might deliver us from this present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father,

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And yet you don't know that when Jesus says He is completely unhindered by Satan that Satan has been limited.

HeIsHere said:

Neither sperm nor fetus -Why would the One who spoke a body out of dust of the earth (Genesis) need sperm to fertilize Mary's egg?

Can these bones live?

Only sinless blood traveled thru Jesus' veins, and is the payment for sin.

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The Lord did not speak a body out of the dust of the earth....

The Hebrew says that he yatsar'ed (molded and formed) a body out from the 'elements' of the earth.

Ever read the label of a multi-mineral complex?
It consists of a list of the elements of the earth!

Jesus' body had to be a real man's body.
A sinless body.

No man's sperm could be used to fertilize Mary's ovum because the sin nature of the flesh is transferred by the man's sperm.
That is why Jesus could have no human father.

God-fearing said:

In actuality Jesus blood is both jew and gentile?....follow the generations

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Abraham was a gentile.
There is no such thing as "Jewish" blood.

Jews have blood like you have blood.
Blood that can be donated to a blood bank for all people to benefit by receiving in a transfusion of the same blood type.

God-fearing said:

Exactly.....thanks... and that's why Jesus addressed them at the temple and siad he would give it to another.
The pharisees house would become desolate.
As I have stated time and time again. A pharisees is a type of person. Pharisees are not Levites. According to Leviticus law Jesus would not have addressed a Levite priest as he did the pharisees.
As for Roman dominion over the jews. The jews were prohibited to put anyone to death and pilate found no fault in jesus so who killed jesus?
70 ad was a act of fulfillment of Jesus prophecy and the beginning of scattering the jews as God had siad.
Secular reasoning has got you and others twisted up.

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I am surprised to see you saying that about the priests.
Read any of the prophets that spoke before the first destruction of Jerusalem and see how thoroughly God rebuked the priests!
Here is one example in many:

Ezekiel 22:26
Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.

Sure, if the priests and the people had have obeyed God, the Old covenant could have continued.
No redeemer would have been needed because the people would be without sin.
In that case earthly Jerusalem could have been a greater light to the nations than Solomon's kingdom ever was.
That did not happen however, and the old covenant is forever gone to all but Jesus.

So now we all need to understand the new covenant.
That means that we need to know that Jesus now IS the temple, besides being the high priest, king and sacrifice.
Under the New Covenant there is no provision for a Levitical priesthood of any sort, just as there is no provision for an earthly temple, sacrifice, or for that matter an earthly king over God's chosen people.
To seek to establish any of these things not only diminishes the finished work of Christ, but is idolatry.

Cameron143 said:

There is no longer Jew or Greek; only the new creation.

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You're not living on the new creation planet yet. That's the point. Until this world passes away, there's always going to be a hater somewhere.

Revelation1v8 said:

Here's how you are wrong, again:

• Gog's death: Ezekiel 39 says Gog falls "upon the mountains of Israel" and is buried there. Antiochus actually died in Babylon (or possibly on the road back from there), not in Judea.
• Supernatural destruction: Ezekiel describes God personally destroying the army with fire, earthquake, hail, and pestilence (38:19–22). The Maccabees won through guerrilla warfare and conventional battles, not a single divine intervention wiping out the enemy.
• The nations: Gog is "prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal" (Ezekiel 38:2) — names typically associated with regions in modern Turkey, Russia, and Central Asia, not the Seleucid heartland of Syria.
• Scale and aftermath: Ezekiel 39 describes a seven-year burning of weapons and a mass burial of the dead. Nothing like that happened after the Maccabean victories.

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Revelation1v8 said:

You didn't check that out?

No, the battle described in Ezekiel 38–39 has not happened yet.

• Historical Context: The prophecy was written after 585 BCE, but no historical conflict since then matches the specific details, such as the unique northern alliance of nations or the seven-year fueling and seven-month burial timeline.
• Future Fulfillment: Most biblical scholars and prophecy experts believe this event is still in the future, likely occurring in the "latter years" after the Jewish people are regathered from the nations.

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Ezekiel 38:2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal

Three known names of old are here:

Genesis 10:2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and MAGOG, and Madai, and Javan, and TUBAL, and MESHECH, and Tiras.

So in which parts of the world did the children of Magog, Meshech and Tubal live?
They lived in Israel's North, Asia Minor in areas occupied by modern Syria and Turkey.
They were militaristic, rode horses and traded slaves in Tyre.


Did the Seleucid empire ( "the king of the North" in Daniel), over which Antiochus Epiphanes ruled also control the lands of Magog Meshech and Tubal?
Absolutely.


There are a list of other nations involved, and the following link will explore how all of that unfolded during the Maccabean revolt.


Valley of Hamon-Gog, a phrase from Ezekiel 39:11,15, literally means "Valley of the multitudes of Gog", where the Israelites are said to have buried the dead.
This place appears on old maps:

If nothing happened there how did it get the name "Hammon-Gog"?

Beekeeper said:

Ezekiel 38:2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal

Three known names of old are here:

Genesis 10:2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and MAGOG, and Madai, and Javan, and TUBAL, and MESHECH, and Tiras.

So in which parts of the world did the children of Magog, Meshech and Tubal live?
They lived in Israel's North, Asia Minor in areas occupied by modern Syria and Turkey.
They were militaristic, rode horses and traded slaves in Tyre.

The Archaeology of Meshech and Tubal

The archaeological story of two often overlooked biblical civilizations

armstronginstitute.org

Did the Seleucid empire ( "the king of the North" in Daniel), over which Antiochus Epiphanes ruled also control the lands of Magog Meshech and Tubal?
Absolutely.

https://www.britannica.com/place/Seleucid-Empire

There are a list of other nations involved, and the following link will explore how all of that unfolded during the Maccabean revolt.

Gog And Magog

A study of the fulfillment of Ezekiel 38-39 by the invasion of Israel by Antiochus IV and his multinational army.

sermoncentral.com

Valley of Hamon-Gog, a phrase from Ezekiel 39:11,15, literally means "Valley of the multitudes of Gog", where the Israelites are said to have buried the dead.
This place appears on old maps:

https://vocesdeldesierto.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/IMG/IMG/IMG/hamon-gog_1.webp

If nothing happened there how did it get the name "Hammon-Gog"?

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This is why I keep telling you that history repeats itself and the next time around it will be on a much larger scale. Let's look at how the Bible lays it out:

Ezekiel 37 ends with Israel:

• gathered from the nations,
• brought into its own land,
• one nation,
• one king,
• David as their shepherd,
• dwelling securely,
• God's sanctuary among them,
• and an everlasting covenant.

Then immediately:

"And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days..."
— Ezekiel 38:16

That's a very different setting from the Maccabean period.

The sequence is:

Ezekiel 36 — Israel restored and cleansed
↓
Ezekiel 37 — Israel resurrected/restored, reunited under David
↓
Ezekiel 38–39 — Gog attacks restored Israel
↓
God destroys Gog
↓
Israel knows the LORD
↓
God pours out His Spirit

Revelation1v8 said:

This is why I keep telling you that history repeats itself and the next time around it will be on a much larger scale. Let's look at how the Bible lays it out:

Ezekiel 37 ends with Israel:

• gathered from the nations,
• brought into its own land,
• one nation,
• one king,
• David as their shepherd,
• dwelling securely,
• God's sanctuary among them,
• and an everlasting covenant.

Then immediately:

"And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days..."
— Ezekiel 38:16

That's a very different setting from the Maccabean period.

The sequence is:

Ezekiel 36 — Israel restored and cleansed
↓
Ezekiel 37 — Israel resurrected/restored, reunited under David
↓
Ezekiel 38–39 — Gog attacks restored Israel
↓
God destroys Gog
↓
Israel knows the LORD
↓
God pours out His Spirit

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You replied very quickly.
I take that as evidence that you did not read through my links.
I understand.
You are only here to promote dispensationalism.

Beekeeper said:

You replied very quickly.
I take that as evidence that you did not read through my links.
I understand.
You are only here to promote dispensationalism.

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No, I researched it thoroughly. While Ezekiel speaks of a past event, it also points to much larger event. Something that happens in EVERY prophetic book of the Bible. Something I've been telling everyone over and over and over again.

God-fearing said:

Also wasn't the curse that God placed of the kings expired when Jesus was born?

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The virgin birth together with Mary’s Davidic genealogy solves the curse upon Jeconiah/Coniah problem.

Beekeeper said:

You replied very quickly.
I take that as evidence that you did not read through my links.
I understand.
You are only here to promote dispensationalism.

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By the way, when the Macabbean War took place, Israel was not being ruled over by someone from the line of David.

Here is a more detailed description of that using A.I.:

No, there was no ruler from the line of David ruling over Israel during the Maccabean War. The Maccabean Revolt (167–160 BCE) was fought against the Seleucid Empire, a Hellenistic Greek dynasty that controlled Judea.

Following the revolt, the Hasmonean dynasty (also known as the Maccabees) established an independent Jewish state. This was significant because the Hasmoneans were Levite priests descended from Aaron, not from the Tribe of Judah. According to biblical tradition and Jewish law, the title of king was reserved exclusively for descendants of King David.

Consequently:

• The Hasmoneans combined the offices of High Priest and Ethnarch (or King), a fusion that was considered controversial and illegitimate by many traditionalists.
• Simon Thassi, who secured full independence in 141 BCE, adopted the title "Prince" rather than "King" to acknowledge he was not of the Davidic line, though he exercised royal authority.
• The last reigning Davidic king had been deposed by the Babylonians in 586 BCE, leaving a century of foreign rule (Persian, Greek, and Seleucid) before the Hasmonean monarchy was established.

Revelation1v8 said:

This is why I keep telling you that history repeats itself and the next time around it will be on a much larger scale. Let's look at how the Bible lays it out:

Ezekiel 37 ends with Israel:

• gathered from the nations,
• brought into its own land,
• one nation,
• one king,
• David as their shepherd,
• dwelling securely,
• God's sanctuary among them,
• and an everlasting covenant.

Then immediately:

"And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days..."
— Ezekiel 38:16

That's a very different setting from the Maccabean period.

The sequence is:

Ezekiel 36 — Israel restored and cleansed
↓
Ezekiel 37 — Israel resurrected/restored, reunited under David
↓
Ezekiel 38–39 — Gog attacks restored Israel
↓
God destroys Gog
↓
Israel knows the LORD
↓
God pours out His Spirit

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The AE/Maccabean line of argument is so utterly absurd only the truly desperate pitch this utter nonsense.

Revelation1v8 said:

By the way, when the Macabbean War took place, Israel was not being ruled over by someone from the line of David.

Here is a more detailed description of that using A.I.:

No, there was no ruler from the line of David ruling over Israel during the Maccabean War. The Maccabean Revolt (167–160 BCE) was fought against the Seleucid Empire, a Hellenistic Greek dynasty that controlled Judea.

Following the revolt, the Hasmonean dynasty (also known as the Maccabees) established an independent Jewish state. This was significant because the Hasmoneans were Levite priests descended from Aaron, not from the Tribe of Judah. According to biblical tradition and Jewish law, the title of king was reserved exclusively for descendants of King David.

Consequently:

• The Hasmoneans combined the offices of High Priest and Ethnarch (or King), a fusion that was considered controversial and illegitimate by many traditionalists.
• Simon Thassi, who secured full independence in 141 BCE, adopted the title "Prince" rather than "King" to acknowledge he was not of the Davidic line, though he exercised royal authority.
• The last reigning Davidic king had been deposed by the Babylonians in 586 BCE, leaving a century of foreign rule (Persian, Greek, and Seleucid) before the Hasmonean monarchy was established.

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Correct. And @Beekeeper has already been informed of this fact. Several times.

What then can you conclude?

Cameron143 said:

And yet you don't know that when Jesus says He is completely unhindered by Satan that Satan has been limited.

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The point that you dodged was the term AGE.
Paul is clearly indicating that this PRESENT AGE is the CHRUCH AGE.
And it is indeed EVIL, and Satan is NOT completely bound by any stretch of the imagination.

1Th 2:18
Wherefore we would have come unto you, even I Paul, once and again; but Satan hindered us.
1Ti 1:20
Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.
1Ti 5:15
For some are already turned aside after Satan.
Rev 2:9
I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Rev 2:13
I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.

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In fact, the Satan-man is prophesied to make his appearance, and soon. Did you forget about this as well? Shameful!

2Th 2:9
Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

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You do realize that there was also an earlier AGE ended at the flood. Right?

2Pe 2:5
And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

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The amils, CT's, RT's and historicists continue to make themselves out to be woefully biblically illiterate.
They have been discredited at every point.
And yet, not the slightest glimmer of repentance or effort to learn or sincere correction is evident.

Revelation1v8 said:

By the way, when the Macabbean War took place, Israel was not being ruled over by someone from the line of David.

Here is a more detailed description of that using A.I.:

No, there was no ruler from the line of David ruling over Israel during the Maccabean War. The Maccabean Revolt (167–160 BCE) was fought against the Seleucid Empire, a Hellenistic Greek dynasty that controlled Judea.

Following the revolt, the Hasmonean dynasty (also known as the Maccabees) established an independent Jewish state. This was significant because the Hasmoneans were Levite priests descended from Aaron, not from the Tribe of Judah. According to biblical tradition and Jewish law, the title of king was reserved exclusively for descendants of King David.

Consequently:

• The Hasmoneans combined the offices of High Priest and Ethnarch (or King), a fusion that was considered controversial and illegitimate by many traditionalists.
• Simon Thassi, who secured full independence in 141 BCE, adopted the title "Prince" rather than "King" to acknowledge he was not of the Davidic line, though he exercised royal authority.
• The last reigning Davidic king had been deposed by the Babylonians in 586 BCE, leaving a century of foreign rule (Persian, Greek, and Seleucid) before the Hasmonean monarchy was established.

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@Beekeeper, now let's look at who suffers in each battle when you compare the Macabbean War against the future one in Ezekiel 39:

• Who is mostly killed:
  
  • Maccabean War → the defenders — Jews (sufferer = Jew)
  • Ezekiel 39 → the invaders — Jews' enemies (sufferer = non-Jew)

• Why:
  
  • Maccabean War → the smaller, weaker force fighting on its own soil against a superior army
  • Ezekiel 39 → God supernaturally destroys the attacking army; Israel is protected

• Scale of loss:
  
  • Maccabean War → ~80,000+ Jews killed/enslaved before the revolt even begins; Maccabean leaders like Judas fall in battle (sufferer = Jew)
  • Ezekiel 39 → one-sixth of the invading non-Jewish enemy army survives; the rest is buried over seven months and fed to scavengers (sufferer = non-Jew)

• Israel/Judah's role:
  
  • Maccabean War → sufferer — the victim of persecution (sufferer = Jew)
  • Ezekiel 39 → protected recipient — the war is for their vindication (sufferer = non-Jew)

• Overall contrast:
  
  • In the Maccabean War, the smaller side (Jews) bleeds and the larger side (non-Jews) wins initially
  • In Ezekiel 39, the larger side (non-Jews) is annihilated and the smaller side (Jews) is spared entirely
  • In both cases the outcome ultimately favors the faithful, but the path is reversed — one through human sacrifice, the other through divine intervention

Kroogz said:

Hey, at least you have a good grasp on salvation..........The rest, not so much.



Jesus is a Jew........Will always be a Jew(100% humanity). You know, the ones you guys deny and "almost" hate.

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No one is denying His humanity.

And that would be correct, I have not been brainwashed by Darbyism and the Scofield Fake reference Bible

Genez said:

The Lord did not speak a body out of the dust of the earth....

The Hebrew says that he yatsar'ed (molded and formed) a body out from the 'elements' of the earth.

Ever read the label of a multi-mineral complex?
It consists of a list of the elements of the earth!

Jesus' body had to be a real man's body.
A sinless body.

No man's sperm could be used to fertilize Mary's ovum because the sin nature of the flesh is transferred by the man's sperm.
That is why Jesus could have no human father.

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Yes He had a real man's body that is not in dispute.

The translation of “her (Mary’s) seed” in Genesis 3:15 means her offspring (not her egg).

HeIsHere said:

No one is denying His humanity.

And that would be correct, I have not been brainwashed by Darbyism and the Scofield Fake reference Bible

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Who have you been brainwashed by? It certainly wasn't by use of the Bible only as a reference.

Revelation1v8 said:

You're not living on the new creation planet yet. That's the point. Until this world passes away, there's always going to be a hater somewhere.

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You see incomplete or complete. Everything changed at the cross. The kingdom of God came definitively at that point. It has been coming progressively since. And when Jesus returns it will come consumatively. Like the mustard seed, it starts small and grows to be the largest. The kingdom of God eventually swallows up all the other kingdoms. This is what scripture teaches. The kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of our God and of His Christ. Hence, a done or undone perspective is inaccurate to explain the progression of history. Rather, a more and greater evidence of the kingdom over time is the accurate model.

HeIsHere said:

Yes He had a real man's body that is not in dispute.

The translation of “her (Mary’s) seed” in Genesis 3:15 means her offspring (not her egg).

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I see where the problem is here. You believe like the Catholics that Mary is the one being referred to in Genesis 3:15. You're wrong there. The seed of the woman in Genesis 3 is Eve, which is why God speaks to her immediately after verse 15.

Genesis 3:15-16

15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.