I do. According to John 17:3, we have eternal life presently.
OSAS, When does salvation take place?
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That's not specific. What if I miss one? I need specifics to be certain.
Sorry, can't help you.
Since Eve and Adam ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, everyone knows what is right and wrong.
Follow you conscience.
Man's conscience is adequate to distinguish the difference between right and wrong. It is woefully inadequate to empower one to do right.
Salvation starts here, but there are qualifications for keeping it.
Judas Iscariot lost it.
So did Ananias and Sapphira.
So did Phygellus and Hermogenes, of Asia. (1 Tim 1:15)
If we have to maintain salvation, Ephesians 2:8-9 is a lie. Salvation is not by grace through faith. It also requires works. Since by works of the law no flesh is justified, your statements can't be true, unless the Apostle Paul lied.
The only works ever written against by Paul, were the works of the Law. ie, circumcision, dietary rules, feast keeping, sabbath keeping, tithing, etc.
Are any murderers going to get eternal life ?
How about the liars, thieves, and adulterers ?
Nobody that offends God, will inherit eternal life.
No faithful man will kill, lie, steal, or commit adultery.
Sinners purposely offend their own consciences.
The faithful purposely do nothing to offend their cosciences.
Sure, he doesn't write against doing works, but he does distinguish between works for salvation and works that flow from salvation.
The faithful means saved individuals? Are you saying that a genuine believer never sins?
He does write against works.
The works of the Law !
Everything the repentant does flows from, manifests, faith.
How are you loving God with your whole heart, mind, soul, and strength currently?
It in fact, is.
Wasn't that the second law that Christ laid out in Matt 22:39 ?
"And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."
Jesus' two laws encapsulate the entire Mosaic Law.
You just said the Apostle Paul spoke against works of the law, but now acknowledge doing works of the law. Which is it?