In my experience, Satan has convinced many Christians that a demon is the Holy Spirit, often an entire church at one time. Without knowing an individual and being able to see for oneself if the fruits of the spirit, which are the only thing that cannot be faked, are present or not. The presence of gifts associated with the HS are meaningless as they are all known in most, if not all religions and can be duplicated by Satan.
Can anyone explain "The Fear Of The Lord" to me? And it's important in a Christian life and walk with Christ?...
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Yet Satan also has the ability to do signs and wonders.
Supposed faith healings. Rolling around on the floor in convulsions. Gibbering insanely.
So how can one tell if this is the power of God or not?
The bible teaches that God does heal
That's not the Holy Spirit - that's devils manifesting themselves
1 Corinthians 14:2 - For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh NOT unto men, but unto God: for NO MAN UNDERSTANDS HIM howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
Romans 8:26 - Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered in articulate speech.
Be careful, some of what you think is gibberish is actually the work of the Holy Spirit.
Those claiming the work of the Holy Spirit is the work of the devil are in very beep doo and doo
Be careful with your comments, rolling around on the floor and gibberish can occur at the same time. I would agree that the demonic can cause some of these experiences, but distinguishing between demonic influence and the HS require clear discernment, one of the greater gifts, although interestingly enough it has become occasionally possible to detect the difference via scientific means, not consistently but in some cases, if one knows what to look for. A friend inadvertently proved it.
If you want to reference I Cor 14 then you must take into account what the chapter actually says.
Verses 8-9 "For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle? So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air."
Verses 15-16 "What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?"
Verses 27-28 "If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God."
Verse 40 says "Let all things be done decently and in order."
So how exactly do you know what you are saying when speaking in tongues if there is no interpreter?
How do you know whether or not you are blaspheming against God?
Against Jesus on the cross and His teachings.?
Are you actually blaspheming against the Holy Spirit?
It is an unknown tongue that nobody can interpret.
Yet you allow a spirit to possess you to speak things that you have no idea what you are saying...
I am, that's why I brought scripture in to it.
Yes satan seeks to counterfeit all that the Lord does to trick people in to being deceived
The Holy Spirit leads us in to Truth (God's Word) which teaches us to spot and know the counterfeit
Uh huh, science doesn't know their backside from deep center field much less be able to tell which spiritual activity is of the Lord and which is of the devil. Science operates in the very limited abilities of the wisdom of mankind which has been darkened.
Yes so please do tell the story of how your friend inadvertently found out how to tell the difference between the Holy Spirit moving and the devil moving using science. I'll have me popcorn ready!
Since you already know enough, I will not waste your time but suffice it to say. a measurement that should not have appeared did appear and the accompanying action was not consistent with the HS but would be consistent with the demonic. Similar anomalous readings are also known to pop up in other places where there is supposed spiritual activity, but where the fruits of the spirit are not being displayed.
But then you seem to not need to see the fruits of the spirit, which the Bible claims are the ONLY way to know that the HS is involved, in order to know where the HS is moving as opposed to the demonic.
Uh huh, any measurements taken by electronic equipment cannot tell the difference between the Holy Spirit and satan playing like he's the Holy Spirit.
These things are spiritually discerned. God did not say go build some device and rely on it to show us the difference between the fruit of the Holy Spirit and the devil deceiving people by trying to imitate the Holy Spirit which he does all the time
People are going to have to know the Lord through His Word to be led by the Holy Spirit Who will let us know when it's the devil playing games to try to deceive us. Knowing the Lord through His Word is becoming lost to many during this time of falling away, this time of lawlessness
And you just know so much. Where in scripture does it tell you to use a computer with internet access to teach about God's word, or are you ignoring that point because it is incovenient?
Show me where in scripture it states that the difference between the HS and demonic activity cannot be detected via scientific means.
Your ignorance of what of what occurs in spiritual activity that can or cannot be measured by science is showing. This is the 21st century where people can know many things that were unknown in the 1st century. Lightning for example is now recognized as a natural process, not a direct act of God. Weather conditions can be predicted based on physical measurements. Even the conditions that can lead to an above water path from one side of a portion of the Red Sea to the other are known.