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...section about "things which must come to pass IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" (per 1:1 [22:6] / 1:19c / 4:1, "SHEW"), by contrast (i.e. the "FUTURE" aspects of the Book [aka what we commonly call the 7-year Tribulation Period, which immediately precedes and leads up to His Second Coming to the earth Rev19])

So, what it seems you are saying here ^ is that, "They Resurrect and then caught up in the clouds"... but NOT "TO HEAVEN" (in your view). Am I reading you right this time? So (I assume, by what you've put, in response to my question) that you're suggesting that the text itself does not...

So... the martyrs killed during the FIRST HALF of the Trib (5th Seal martyrs ^ ) are distinct from those "coming out of the GREAT tribulation" (SECOND half of the Trib; Rev7:9,14). [Neither of these sets being "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY"]

I see vv.16-17 speaking to the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom location (as their "destination-location"), Rev 7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. Rev 7:16 They...

Pretty much immediately preceding the start of "the 70th Week" of Daniel (aka 7-yr Tribulation Period); i.e. Before Seal #1 is opened. Hope my response was short enough, as well as precise (per your request). = )

He'll probably say (like I've heard, from some) that the humans standing on the earth and speaking the words (in Rev6:16-17) are just "from a human perspective" but not actually "truth". I don't buy it; because of way too many other evidences outside of these 2 verses merely.

From how I read his Post #2528, I thought he WAS distinguishing between the two. (In the context of his convo with ZNP.) Perhaps I've mis-read his post there?

...or a word or a letter as if from us, to the effect [/purporting] that the day of the Lord has [already] come [i.e. purporting that the Tribulation period has already arrived (perfect indicative; transitive verb in the Greek)]. A few things: --there's no need for Paul to say, "with regard...

...either, that the wedding FEAST has taken place by this point, NO! I saw someone elsewhere post this [faulty] idea: [quoting] “If pretribulationists are right, we would expect the wedding and the feast to commence at the beginning of the tribulation, not after the tribulation as...

I still don't know your answer to my question (or 2 questions): --"WHERE" do you think we go following "the meeting of the Lord IN THE AIR"? --"WHEN" do you believe "our Rapture" takes place (in relation to the Trib years)? [I thought you earlier said "pre-Satan's-wrath" i.e...

Paul's Thessalonians epistles are referring to an "eschatological salvation" ("the One delivering us out-of THE WRATH COMING"--that is, COMING on the earth, to unfold upon it, OVER SOME TIME [i.e the '7 yrs']--NOT referring here to "hell"!!); i.e. [salvation/deliverance] via "our Rapture,"...

...I said: they are KILLED at the "6th Trumpet (events) [2nd Woe]"... which is AFTER the MID-point "5th Trumpet [1st Woe into the earth]" And...? How do you figure? ____________ "Seal #2" is INCLUDED within the "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time-period we call "the tribulation period" (i.e. 7 yrs)

...was referring to "the whole church as a body" (which it IS)... "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" ... why does the majority of "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" get to miss out on "the tribulation period" and only "the last of them" have to experience it (per your view), was the gist of his question.

I think you're missing what Genez was saying. He was referencing the specific, future, LIMITED time-period we commonly call the Tribulation period (7 years in duration [SEALS--TRUMPETS--VIALS!]... the "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time-period [Rev1:1/1:19c/4:1]). Whereas YOU are referring to the...

Fairly agree. I also believe "the 144,000" (of each of the tribes of Israel listed in Rev7) will be "sealed" (presumably for protection, based on the wording in 7:3 [see 8:6-10]), and "sealed" before the 1st Trumpet commences, so PRIOR TO the "5th Trumpet / 1st Woe unto the earth" MID-trib...

^ In his Post #2098, he wasn't saying that "pre-trib teaching" is what he's against. He was saying he's against the claim that this "teaching [pre-trib]" only started in the 1800's and thus those others (claiming this as fact) are wrong. Musicmaster himself is pre-trib. What he was...

Would you mind perhaps re-phrasing this ^ sentence? I'm not able to discern your actual intended meaning here (possibly due to an incomplete sentence somewhere in the middle??) Musicmaster is "pre-trib" (at least I seem to recall that he is! LOL) That's why I *THINK* perhaps you...

I never stated otherwise. I AGREE that ALL saints of ALL times will be present FOR "the wedding FEAST / SUPPER [/MK AGE]" (notice I mentioned "G347" in MATTHEW 8:11 and its parallel!) I wouldn't necessarily write the LIST in the same manner you have written it (I INCLUDE the "24 elders" /...

During the tribulation period, this takes place: "[those (pl.)] HAVING BEEN INVITED TO the wedding SUPPER of the Lamb [/ the MK age]" (Rev19:9), speaking of the "guestS [plural]" (distinct from "the Bride/Wife [singular]" v.7) [btw, He is not "MARRYING" 10 or 5 virginS either! ;)...

"the marriage SUPPER / FEAST" is the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom age (or at least its inauguration); its location is ON THE EARTH (following Christ's Second Coming TO THE EARTH Rev19). It corresponds with the wording, "the MEAL [G347]" in Luke 12:36-37,38,40 (and its...