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    What Does "Born of Water" Mean?

    I don’t believe they contradict one another at all. Isn’t everyone definitive? Who is left out of everyone? 1 John 5:1 makes a statement that cannot be true if the water in John 3:5 refers to the immersion of our physical bodies into water. There are other plausible meanings, so why not...
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    What Does "Born of Water" Mean?

    “Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him.” ‭‭1 John‬ ‭5‬:‭1‬ ‭ESV‬‬ https://bible.com/bible/59/1jn.5.1.ESV When someone believes that Jesus is the Christ they have already been born again according...
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    What Does "Born of Water" Mean?

    Song of Solomon 4 refers to a spouse as a well of living water. “You have captivated my heart, my sister, my bride; you have captivated my heart with one glance of your eyes, with one jewel of your necklace. How beautiful is your love, my sister, my bride! How much better is your love than...
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    How do you get saved?

    “Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.” ‭‭1 John‬ ‭5‬:‭1‬ ‭KJV‬‬ https://bible.com/bible/1/1jn.5.1.KJV Once you believe you are already born again. Notice the sequence given here: “For we...
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    How do you get saved?

    “And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.” ‭‭1...
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    Saul of Tarsus was not saved on the road to Damascus.

    “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: and every spirit that confesseth not that...
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    Saul of Tarsus was not saved on the road to Damascus.

    If salvation for the house of Cornelius was handled differently to prove that the gentiles were accepted, then why would Peter say this: “And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; and put no difference between us and them...
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    How do you get saved?

    If onoma means a name, authority, or cause as Strong’s Concordance says, then this simply says that through His authority everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins.
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    Saved by faith alone. A surmised understanding?

    “Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him.” ‭‭1 John‬ ‭5‬:‭1‬ ‭ESV‬‬ https://bible.com/bible/59/1jn.5.1.ESV If everyone who believes has already been born of God, as this verse says, how do you fit...
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    Spiritual Baptism

    If the circumcision happens at water baptism, then it is a circumcision made with hands isn’t it? If it happens at water baptism, and water baptism is required, then it would never happen without water baptism and hands would always be involved.
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    What if you die before water baptism?

    If it doesn’t make sense to discuss the natural birth in John 3 then shouldn’t this verse have been left out. ”That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.“ ‭‭John‬ ‭3‬:‭6‬ ‭KJV‬‬ https://bible.com/bible/1/jhn.3.6.KJV You can see the tie to 1...
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    What if you die before water baptism?

    There is a lengthy discussion about the two births in 1 Corinthians 15. ”it is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit...
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    What if you die before water baptism?

    I didn’t make any of this up. I didn’t write Ephesians 1:13. I also didn’t use the phrase immersed into Christ as found in Romans 6:3 and Galatians 3:27. 1 Corinthians 12:13 says this: ”For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or...
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    What if you die before water baptism?

    Yes, I believe that Jesus is the Christ, the son of God. Also, Mark 16:16 is consistent with what I believe. If you believe that a person is immersed into Christ by the Holy Spirit upon belief like Ephesians 1:13 says, that is a baptism. It also helps to understand why baptism isn’t mentioned...
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    What if you die before water baptism?

    Sorry didn’t mean to rail. Since you prefer not to reject the Bible’s doctrines, I suppose you would agree that anyone who believes in Jesus has already been born again as 1 John 5:1 very succinctly says. If so, how does it fit within your beliefs on water baptism. I ask only because I...
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    What if you die before water baptism?

    The Romans 6 passage also says immersed into Christ, not into water. In Acts 19:5 the Greek word for baptized is ebaptisthesan. According to what I have found it is an aorist indicative passive verb. It refers to an action that has already happened. So, when verse 5 says ”When they heard...
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    What if you die before water baptism?

    ”Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him.“ ‭‭1 John‬ ‭5‬:‭1‬ ‭ESV‬‬ https://bible.com/bible/59/1jn.5.1.ESV 1 John 5:1 has to be true as well. If you simply translate baptized in Galatians 3:26 it...
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    When Does A Christian Become Immortality/Born Again?

    I understand the following verses. It still doesn’t change the statement in 1 John 5:1. Everyone who believes has been born of God. It’s already happened. Verse 13 makes it even clearer. I don’t dispute that those who are saved will seek to keep his commandments. That’s all the following...
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    When Does A Christian Become Immortality/Born Again?

    Think about 1 John 5:1. “Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him.” ‭‭1 John‬ ‭5‬:‭1‬ ‭ESV‬‬ https://bible.com/bible/59/1jn.5.1.ESV If everyone who believes has already been born of God, it is...
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    Is Baptism in water a work or a command? Is it necessary for salvation?

    “(which is symbolic for the present age). According to this arrangement, gifts and sacrifices are offered that cannot perfect the conscience of the worshiper, but deal only with food and drink and various washings (baptismois in Greek), regulations for the body imposed until the time of...