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It was a discussion, we do not have full knowledge.

John 14:16 he MAY remain with you. Mathew 20:28 teaching them to observe everything I have commanded you, remember I am with you always to the end... (But what if you DO NOT observe everything that I have commanded you??) Hebrews 13:5 Keep your life free from the love of money, be satisfied...

Yes, if you come to reject him and erase the mark, and withdraw from the HS, and cancel the deposit, and break your promises, and spit on the guarantee, and mock the inheritance and forego the praise. Yes, if you do those things, Jesus will turn away from you, and will say, I never knew you.

You are right, but that is not the point.

Then why are we arguing? We both agree that good works is necessary.

OK, thank you for that. Just explain in your own words, not a bunch of scriptures: If he was speaking to those that were saved, why did he give them this promise and condition? IOW if they are saved and secure eternally, why tell them that if they do not forgive, God will not forgive them...

I will only answer your Peter question. When Peter denied Christ, he had 2 choices. 1) continue to be alienated from Jesus, in which case he would have lost his salvation and found himself in hell. 2) humbly repent and come back to Christ, in which case he would be saved and become the great...

Look, it is not that important, just let it go. Please.

I believe that the difference is that you recognize that you have quenched the HS and in your own way, you have repented and have allowed the HS to return. We all sin, but we all have the capacity to repent and get back into reconciliation with God. He is a merciful God.

Again, if you are saved unto good works that Jesus created for you, and you do not do those good works, will you be saved?

If you have true faith, you will do the works that Jesus has created for you to do. If you do not do them, will you be saved?

Good works will never save you. As you say, if you were to put your good works up against your sins, your sins are far more numerous than your good works. So good luck with that concept. What good works are for is the good works that Jesus created for you to do in faith. Good works are for...

You have given some bad things that people did. Did they repent of these things, and did they come back to Jesus? Yes. He is a forgiving God, as long as you repent and search for him again.

Do you think that 'quenching' means to put out the HS? Like you quench a fire, or you quench your thirst? I believe quenching does mean to put out. So if you quench the HS, you are putting the HS out of your life. If one does not do the works that Jesus has created for them, they are...

So you are crying on the forum that you have answered every question that I have given you. So I give you a simple question to answer and then you rant and rave about having already answered it and give no explanation about how it fits into your theology. So stop crying and look at my simple...

I have always maintined that works will not save you. I agree with you that works are evidence of salvation. IOW if you have good works that is evidence that you are saved. By the same token, if you do not have good works, that is evidence you are not saved.

So 'if they must do them' is the impediment? Well if Jesus creates a good work for them to do, and they feel like they are being forced to do them, and they resist and do not the works that Jesus has created for them, are they really saved?

Are we being a little melodramatic. You signature says that to be saved, all you have to do is call upon the name of the Lord. I don't see the word 'believe', nor do I see the word 'grace', nor do I see the word 'faith'. So is this it, call upon the name of the Lord? Or is there more to...

Hello, this description is not me. I preach what Jesus preaches. It is not dark, it is the truth. Good works are part of the salvation process. Good works, however, can not save you, but as I have said many time, good works is a sign that you have faith in Christ. Doing the good works...

see post 64,231. Thank you.