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It seems as though the road you have chosen is laborious and burdensome. Rest for one's soul is found only in Jesus. 28 Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find...

Hmmm... God put you in my lap because He wants me? And to find Him I must choose to follow you? Are you the leader of a cult or something like that? Please identify exactly what group you belong to.

What are you talking about exactly? Please spell it out so that there is no way for me to misunderstand what you are saying I must do.

Let's talk about legal tender. 10 For he who has entered (past participle) His rest has himself also ceased (past tense) from his works as God did from His. (Heb 4:10) The evidence that a person has entered God's rest is that his works have ceased. The construction above places "entering His...

I'm all ears. That's what I said. God knows if a person's faith in Christ is genuine. That is why a person must be dilligent to rest from his works. Expectations must exist, "for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him" (Heb 11:6)...

The problem, of course, is that when a person works hard to maintain his salvation, his works provide evidence that he may not resting in the finished work of Christ. People can't look at other people and definitively determine the status of their salvation based on observing their works because...

Just because a certain point of view is held by a tiny fraction of Christianity does not make it the correct point of view.

I will just go back to one of my posts on another forum: Your point of view runs the risk of misleading people. How does the Greek word "πιστεύω" mean something other than "believe" in any of these verses? And when He had come into the house, the blind men came to Him. And Jesus said to them...

In particular, your statement that "Our busines is to keep faithing, keep surrendering ourselves to Him, all the time" does not look to me like a state of rest. It looks to me like the security of salvation is dependent on properly executing "our busines".

This is a common tactic. Whenever I see something on the order of "Scripture says what I'm telling you it says, therefore if you disagree with me you don't believe the Scripture" then I know there is no need for further discussion. This is literally the opposite of reality. I have given you the...

Sounds the same as working hard to maintain one's salvation, which is the opposite of ceasing from one's works (Heb 4:10).

Sometimes you argue that we are talking about pistis and not pisteuo and sometimes you argue the opposite. And you're right that I disagree with your approach. You may be correctly relaying what Vines believed or you may be misapplying it. I don't know. But the 3 points he made about pistis and...

I assume you meant to say can instead of cannot. Let's assume God tells me that something I believe to be true is actually false (this has happened many times). Is it incumbent upon me to change my mind and adopt His point of view on the subject? Or, am I justified in clinging to my false...

I think I explained it quite well. I don't even know what you mean by that. Sorry, I forgot we had this conversation already. I do remember our conversation and that we failed to reach an agreement. But I forgot it was you that I was arguing with. Sorry. The object of one's faith is at issue...

These are good points. I would just tweek the final statement a bit to say that the one who rejects the message refuses to believe.

So what? Salvation in Christ is the subject or Romans 10. It speaks of God as sending out the message. It speaks of people hearing the message. It speaks of some who reject the message and some who receive the message. And it speaks of Jesus saving everyone who responds favorably to the message...

Romans 10:17 clearly sits near the end of a lengthy discussion of faith's role in a person's salvation (i.e., Romans 10:1-21). The passage is clear that God draws people to Christ with a message of reconciliation in Christ Jesus. Some people hear the message, believe the message, and call on...

My view is that God Himself does the teaching. And to learn, a person must trust the things God teaches. As do other Scriptures, Romans 10:17 points us to God to trust Him and learn from Him. In other words, it doesn't tell us where trust comes from. It tells us the object of well-placed faith...

The battle lines keep changing. First Front: "My point was "our" isn't in the verse. It was placed into the verse. This causes a reading of scripture that isn't present in the word of God." Second Front: CRFTD: "I did so purposely because it is our faith." C143: "Sure, but it's also Christ's...

Your line of reasoning would preclude any reasonable understanding of Ephesians 2:8 because if it is wrong to assign faith to the subjects of salvation, it is equally wrong to assign "faith" to the one who saves. However, the verse demands that we ascribe faith to people and not to the Lord who...