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  1. christophernyc

    The book of Job

    Some of the details recounted from the story in this answer don't match up. 1. Can you provide the verse where God says Job is prideful? 2. Job thinks he is perfect? Does he say that? If not, how can you know he thinks this? 3. There is one reference when Job's wife tells him to curse God and...
  2. christophernyc

    The book of Job

    Good question!!! :)
  3. christophernyc

    Who is Elihu?

    It says "for" our transgressions. Correct. At the same time, our sin was the cause and the reason for the suffering. He chose this course, which goes to underscore His astounding love for us.
  4. christophernyc

    Who is Elihu?

    Do you believe that Jesus died on the Cross for our sins? This is something I believe is foundational to the Christian faith. Isaiah's prophecy in Isaiah 53:5, I believe, is prophesying about the coming Messiah, the Lord Jesus Christ, who would suffer because of our sins. 5 But He was wounded...
  5. christophernyc

    Who is Elihu?

    Elihu states in 35:6-8: 6If you sin, what do you accomplish against Him? Or, if your transgressions are multiplied, what do you do to Him? 7If you are righteous, what do you give Him? Or what does He receive from your hand? 8Your wickedness affects a man such as you, And your righteousness a...
  6. christophernyc

    Who is Elihu?

    Yes, of course, 2 Timothy3:16 is what we believe about Scripture. Are you afraid that poetry is a part of it? As for the questions you raised, I have addressed these and answered them before, but I'm happy to do it again for you in case you missed it somehow. 1. When did Job lose his...
  7. christophernyc

    Who is Elihu?

    Then read what Elihu concludes after Job 34:9 in the next two verses: Job 34:10,11 “Therefore listen to me, you men of understanding: Far be it from God to do wickedness, And from the Almighty to commit iniquity. For He repays man ...and then read what Elihu concludes immediately after in...
  8. christophernyc

    Who is Elihu?

    In your study, have you ever learned about how the bible was written? Have you ever encountered the fact that Hebrew poetry is an integral part of it? This is very common knowledge, and there are many places to learn more about it. And, no, nobody was talking about "poetic license". That is...
  9. christophernyc

    Who is Elihu?

    How do you know Elihu was present when God required the sacrifice for the 3 friends? After God appears in the whirlwind, Elihu he is not heard from or mentioned again. Why do you believe he is still there? I would encourage you to look closer at what Elihu says and give more consideration to...
  10. christophernyc

    Who is Elihu?

    The reason I am asking is because you laid out such a great example of the use of Hebrew poetry in this book, specifically that of parallelism. You did it so well it made me wonder if you were already familiar with it. Chapters 1 & 2 of Job clearly parallel each other, as you have aptly pointed...
  11. christophernyc

    Who is Elihu?

    Thank you for laying these points out. How familiar are you with parallelism in Hebrew poetry?
  12. christophernyc

    Who is Elihu?

    So when does Job lose his integrity? The answer is he does not lose his integrity, as evidenced in the text in Job 2:9. Additionally, what follows is Job continuing to maintain his integrity in the face of his wife urging him to do the exact opposite. Herein again, Job refuses to curse God as...
  13. christophernyc

    Who is Elihu?

    (Circling back real quick to respond to your question from earlier...) Nobody is saying the man "cursed" his friend in the morning in Proverbs 27:14. If you see it, the point of the proverb is to express how blessing someone inappropriately (i.e., in this instance “loudly in the morning”) would...
  14. christophernyc

    Who is Elihu?

    Yes, the occasion would be when someone is using sarcasm. Also, here is what I found to the Blue Letter Bible link you provided H1288: KJV Translation Count — Total: 330x The KJV translates Strong's H1288 in the following manner: bless (302x), salute (5x), curse (4x), blaspheme (2x), blessing...
  15. christophernyc

    Who is Elihu?

    It seems very reductionary to make the understanding of the use of this word here so black and white. We already know hot does not mean cold, and that bless is not literally defined as curse. But what we can do is ask what the expression of this word in Job 1:11 and Job 2:5 actually means in its...
  16. christophernyc

    Who is Elihu?

    So is it your opinion that satan's prediction of Job about the second test was correct? barak: To bless, to kneel Original Word: בָרַךְ Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: barak Pronunciation: bah-rahk Phonetic Spelling: (baw-rak') Definition: To bless, to kneel Meaning: to kneel, to bless...
  17. christophernyc

    Who is Elihu?

    So Job suffers the loss of his possessions "without cause" in the first test, and responds by saying, "Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD." The first test is without cause, and...
  18. christophernyc

    Who is Elihu?

    I think these are important questions, and I'm glad you bring them up. Thank you. As dramatic as Job's statements are, I do not believe they are in conflict with each other. Rather, what Job is expressing is everything that he is experiencing during his trial. All of what he is saying directly...
  19. christophernyc

    Who is Elihu?

    No worries. It's all good. We've been typing Elihu so much, and Eliphaz starts with the same letters, so it's an easy mistake for any of us.
  20. christophernyc

    Who is Elihu?

    I see what may have happened. That first headline near the top of your post says "Words of Elihu". Did you mean "Words of Eliphaz", Job's friend?