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I was in the wrong no doubt, so you weren't totally wrong in you understanding. It wasn't a nice thing for me to say. I also just realized that I was very immature in your thread about Christian maturity. How very "funny" (embarrassing) of me.

I'm sorry. I didn't mean it as bad as it came across. Seeing the reaction and this reply I wish I wouldn't have left it. I meant it amore tongue in cheek, but it was in bad taste and I do see how it was just not nice or funny at all. Especially when I completely agree with your point. I...

No. You cannot obey Jesus before we are saved. We are saved and then have the ability, guidance, and power from God to obey. So when asked "Do we need to obey Jesus TO be saved? The answer is defiantly no, and thank God this is the case. However when we are saved we will, by His power and...

Thank goodness we had you come and clear that all up. I think we'll be good now.

So glory to men right? After all there's so much you say we have to do to be saved. Do we even need to thank God? Maybe we do deserve glory for all the "working it out" and labor we have to do. Again I do not understand the arguments to "de-glorify" God.

Stop acting like you're being fair minded and "above the petty squabbles of the peasants below". You don't have full understanding of the other side of the argument, at least not displayed anywhere on here for us to see. There is no way you can have such a reasoned and unapproachable, doctrine...

No it does not. It never teaches a believer can commit the unforgivable sin and I challenge you to produce the scripture that teaches this. The only verse I know of says NOTHING about believers. That's just what YOU bring to the text, not pull from it. Bottom line.

Yeah but the true message was never about the younger son when Jesus gave that parable. It was about the older son's unjust judgment concerning the fathers forgiveness of the younger. Jesus was saying this because of and to the Pharisees standing there, and if you go reread it we are told the...

The difference is who you think is in charge. You're talking about sanctification as if it's us trying to wrestle our own flesh into obedience to God. That's not what it is at all. It's God the Spirit working in you to mold your flesh into a more Christ shaped form. Sanctification is God working...

You forgot "and liar".

Good Lord it blows my mind how hard some fight to take glory from God. They fight SO HARD to declare that God does not deserve glory for "this, that, and the other". It honestly just does not make sense in my born again head, that they strive this hard to declare the glory that God doesn't...

I agree whole heartedly, with scripture as you just laid it out. That's what His word says. The catch 22 is that you can not KNOW this in truth unless you've been born again, or made spiritually alive. So if you're deceived then you can not know that, and will fight for your position to the...

I reject your premise when you say "attributing unrighteous hate to God". This comes from a place of a "disconnected from reality" starting point. You make it sound like all people are born on an even playing field and it's up to us to choose up or down. This isn't true in any sense, this is why...

I sadly think it glaringly obvious why they can't say it. I stick with my view that those who are not saved can think they are, but those who are saved in truth can not be ignorant of their salvation. You can't be completely transformed by the power of God and not know it. If you are saved in...

Yeah says the guy that lifts up the KJV to the level of false idol. How are you speaking about "not biblical", where in the Bible is the KJV mentioned? Well if king james isn't mentioned then surely the coming "perfect version" of His word is there. No? So being biblical is the standard for...

I just don't get this argument for the weakness and insufficiency of our God's saving power. The dead set objective of preaching "you can lose salvation, God's power is not enough to keep you" is mind boggling to me. The only way I can even start to understand the point of view those who argue...

And God is FAR greater than they'd every give Him glory for. The most sad part to me is they can not see that they are trying to claim Gods glory as their own. They have a problem with the idea that salvation is of God lest any man boast. God 100%, men 0%. They hate this assertion, they hate...

What exactly do you mean by a "woke up saved" individual? You mean one that gives ALL the glory for their salvation to God and doesn't try to take credit for "their choice", as if they can boast about it? Are you saying it's more humble to think you played a part in that salvation than saying...

Wow you come into the "conversation" like an obnoxious leftist. I'm not even getting into if I agree or disagree or if I think you're wrong or right here, but the way you present it as if your above everyone, looking down on the class teaching everyone else, and anyone who disagrees can get...

This is true, and I'm not at all trying to argue that point at all. The Bible is not explicitly clear about what happens to babies when they die. Agreed. How ever the rest of the bible does go on to tell us how our God is as far as justice, mercy, sacrifice, and love, and now having been born...