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Are there any that tell a person to turn away from wickedness, live holy and be like Christ. Ones that dont focus on "Grace" only. Because if we just use "some" scriptures in the bible and not the rest we are not getting a full understanding of how to change... Even an ungodly person may think...

Anyway why would unbelievers want to get better by scripture. So if this program is targeted at unbelievers, the bible would have no value to them. It doesn't make sense as to why someone would make a program that has God spoken about without repentance involved. A person need's to get saved...

Does the 12 step program have these verses- Luke 13:3 New International Version (NIV) 3 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish. Mark 1:15 And saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.” Matthew 4:17 From that...

Are bible verses in these 8 steps?

Apparently thieving "Klaptomania" is also a mental illness. Is there a 12 step program for it. Some people cant control the impulse to have another person's property....

The bible promotes us to turn to God. NOT 12 STEPS. Its Gods word first not If they dont want God then they cant get the freedom he gives. Freedom from Sin means freedom from alot of Sins not just drug and alcohol taking. Some people can get clean without God, but they still have the constant...

I'd rather encourage people to go to God first as well as the bible. Because we need to view the whole bible to be renewed in the spirit of our minds. Not just view 12 steps.

So do you believe that God delivers from sin or a program? -Do you see drunkenness and drug taking as you would see murder, theft, adultery etc. Do these sins like Murder, theft or Adultery need to be helped by a 12 step program as well. Some people may struggle with these problems.

Reading Gods word everyday would have more impact because we need to renew our minds every day and not just once a week. We need to meditate on the whole bible to change our thoughts, not just say or do (12) steps that talk about God. I went to a group like this for mental health and i thought...

Hi Newbie, I am sorry you felt so judged by others on here. It wasnt many peoples intention to judge, but they just thought they were helping you. And we couldn't really understand what you needed help with. Please explain simply what you need help with?

But I am glad to here things Hi UnitedwithChrist I am sorry but I dont agree because only a relationship with Christ can help our "sin issues" alone. Friendship cant save us from Sin only Jesus can and some people around the world dont have any fellowship or a church to go to. I myself only...

I just believe we dont need a program in order to help us have a strong relationship with God, neither do I believe we need to be in it to maintain a relationship with God. A relationship with God can be built between him and us alone and we can be changed in the spirit of our minds through his...

I am talking about believers. Sorry I meant reading the bible "every day"

"Godly Sorrow" shouldn't involve self hate, but sorrow towards God concerning our sins. In order to come to repentance a person needs "Godly sorrow"

Magenta what if these programs didnt exist. And a person read there bible every instead. Should there be the same success rate😉

HeyJude I never said that message to judge the man, but I was saying how AA doesnt keep some people clean, because i sat down and spoke to the man. And that verse in Roman's doesn't say Paul is the worst of Sinners. He "was" the worst of sinners and the rest of it says- Romans 7:15-25 New...

And many of the underlying issues for drug use are mental illness, the mental health system cant help because I have been in that system and other family members are on psychiatric medication. So underlying causes cant be healed through psychiatry. This is my opinion, through my own experience...

You people are big on programs. What did people do in Jesus's day without these "programs" and psychologists. They would not have had an "excuse" to continue because a program didn't exist.

Sorry not sure how the top part of that message got there. Only read the part about not yoking with unbelievers. The other part was in a different message but added to this one. That's weird. Sorry for the confusion.

Sorry I cant edit this message I sent you, you said you were in a program for more than 30 years. I met someone that is in a program for 10 years and they were still drinking and using drugs they told me. They were in the city singing amazing grace with a church group and the pastor allowed him...