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Interesting how Peter use a different combination of words to say the same: 1Pe 2:7 (YLT) to you, then, who are believing is the preciousness; and to the unbelieving, a stone that the builders disapproved of, this one did become for the head of a corner, 8 and a stone of stumbling and a rock...

I am answering your question: can "something" be dead without being alive before? Yes. Faith is dead without works; that's what James says ... and I am glad EG mentioned it, cause he thought that I wasn't right when I talked about people who think that they don't need any work at all related...

Of course: Luk 9:60 (ESV) And Jesus said to him, "Leave the dead to bury their own dead. But as for you, go and proclaim the kingdom of God."

Then works matter.

You are talking by yourself. Same scenario: that person continue fighting because his sins can be overlooked just because of Jesus' blood ... like sacrifices in Israel. Nobody can be saved practicing sin, not repenting and not fighting for not repeating again. Luk 13:23 (ESV) And someone said...

That is not how I see it. If the same person I talked before doesn't fight and surrenders himself to his weakness, he won't be saved, cause no one can be practicing sin and be saved.

There is not contradiction on saying that we are not saved because of what we do, and at the same time saying that we need to work out our salvation. It is like this: there is a person who has a weakness about the sex. That person can fall on his weakness and try to keep fighting against its...

I am talking about the Scriptures in its totallity, not just in a part of the whole. We must check all the Scriptures to get the whole picture, not just a side.

I don't think so. The Scriptures are full of principles that every one must work out on. If works are not necessary why the Bible talk about doing so many things and not doing so many others? PD: My first language is Spanish. I'd been living in US for more than 10 years. I can understand or not...

I didn't say that works can save us. What I say is that without works nobody can be saved: not by works but not without works. Even when people talk the same language they can missunderstand each other. Maybe that is what is happening here.

Paul told a lot about works. Some people see just what they want to see.

EG, I am not interested on talking about people. I'd been trying to show that salvation and works are very interconected. There is not salvation without works and it is all around the Scriptures. FHS and Noose had being posting a lot of biblical passages that are very clear ... I show some...

EG, use the Scriptures more often. I see so many people here talking and talking and talking ... most of the time about others ... I am praying than some people learn to use more the Scriptures to show they really have the spirit.

Bill, that was sarcasm (on my last post). Hope yours too. Sorry about it. My English can be the worse one in the whole world, but evidently when in a forum some people are posting and keeping some threads about not-loosing-salvation and works-don't-affect your salvation and all that ... even...

Well, then people is not explaining very well what they mean ... or my English is the worse one in the whole world and I am the only one here that doesn't know why so many threads talking about something related with salvation or what is this about. :cry:

When people insists so much on not-works necessary, that is totally wrong. I am not saying it is your case, but there is too much of that all around, like some people doesn't mind what they do ... It is important to know that YES, it matters what people does.

I don't need to mention any one. Some posts on here are evidently not coming from someone who is or have all that is being talked about all the time. Or the spirit in you doesn't help you recognize when a spirit IS NOT the Spirit?

If you address to me, please, show some respect. You say you are saved, you are born again, you have the spirit ... I can see you are lying to yourself and you are exactly the best example of what I am saying.

That's what you believe and I must respet that. I see Scriptures say a lot more than that, and it is posted everywhere on all the threads about the same. It is simple: no one who practices sin inherite the promises. Those promises are for people who obey, not for people who think more of...

You are not Jesus, Eliah, John the Baptist, Paul, or any of them. They had a lot of WORKS you're saying are not useful. :rolleyes: