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Sorry for the late reply but as for your question yes it is by the blood and it was for all people who would accept his offer of salvation. it is really quite simple he died for all man kind but not all mankind will accept it but for those who do it is applied to them

ok now I understand yes I agree completely

It is applied to anyone who believes

Clarification? Ok I will try to explain the best I can. So think of salvation as a gift a box with a bow on it from the father paid for by the blood of Christ now salvation is called a gift in scripture so if he hands you this gift how do you lose what was not even paid for yourself? trchnically...

Sorry for my ignorance here but what do you mean they do not participate in that salvation?

Erll You are correct it is us walking away from him thus our salvation is not lost but rather forfeited. I believe we can hand over our salvation but we cannot lose it due to our failings and shortcomings a true believer may stumble and fall short but they will outrun his love he goes after the...

Listen don't put words in my mouth I keep saying that obedience does not save or is it what keeps you saved your the one saying I believe we can live in disobedience and still be saved you are not listening to what I am saying Our salvation is based on the finnished work of Christ alone not...

That sounds legit to me as long as our salvation is not based on that but on the finnished work of Christ

The ones I have spoken did this is why I said I must have met the wrong kind because it seems not all do

You act as if I purposely didn't read all of what you gave but how am I supposed to help it with my eyes? It isn't that I didn't read it all or anything I read what verses I could and yes believe it or not I have not seen or heard of this software I am not what you would call tech savy so there...

Very true and well said

Well maybe I just met the wrong kind of Tulip believers because most of them that I have spoken to believe in a works salvation based on obedience

Just because I am physically unable to read everything you gave doesn't mean I have no buiseness commenting on them and as for that software you speak of I have never seen or heard of it so I would love to haver it but I have no idea where or how to get it. Do you know what it is called? Now...

Well it can be all of it really and from what I have seen Tulip believers say it doesn't sit right with me they have a very dedicated works for salvation for instance

Are you not also cherry picking in the verses you posted? would you prefer I post the whole chapter to you instead verse by verse and you call that cherry picking? Also no one argues about following Christ but a works salvation is pretty clear and on the nose we are saved and kept by faith and...

Ok so it was ia misunderstanding then, thanks for clarifying. But I do have some knowledge on what Tulip yeaches and I agree that it isn't good

Sorry but I am legally blind I cannot read super long posts but I read what I could and from what it says it seems to be dependant on the person leaving the faith not them losing it there is a difference. And yes one cannot lose what they never had or were a part of but again that is the point...

Well for one John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of My hand. He speaks of no one being able to take us out of his hands and about eternal life there aren't a lot of scriptures that speak on whether one can lose their...

Well I am not Tulip or a calvinist so I don't think this applies to me and it was uncalled for

Qhat on earth are going on about? of course it has to be God drawing us and not the other way around I never once said otherwise calm down bro