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Except in the parable Jesus told he never mentioned the planter of the seeds doing anything to the soil so in this instance the soil was the main factor because some fell on good soil others did not, just going ty the parable the soil was the deciding factor of the seeds being able to grow

Well the thing is the gardener can plant the seeds yes but the soil has to be able to recieve it so in this way the soil is the deciding factor When you are growing crops the soil is a major factor

Well I am not sure how or if my understanding lines up with most Christians but it isn't as if I am against free will it is just that it haSs to be placed in the right order of salvation

True it doesn't mattter what kind of seed it is the soil is the deciding factor, and does the soil freely choose what kind of soil it is?

I agree with this and it is an important point to understand when considering free will

I don't really see how this verse has to do with free will though, yes he is imploring them but in this situation the ones recieving could already have been drawn to God otherwise they would not listen. I also would like to say that as long as God is the instigator there is plenty of room for...

Well yes this verse could imply that there is a will but it is still a pretty vague one. But your idea on repentance has some merit to it as repentance is an actual decision

True good leader ship is the main issue and it heavily depends on the leadership whether a church stays alive or on fire but the sad reality is that good leadership is not exactly common these days and also being a leader of a church is a very stressful job but this is why not just anyone is fit...

No I am not assuming anything and it isn't as if I just walk into a place and instantly decide whether they are on fire or not I attend the churches regularly to find out for myself and after a month or two you can easily tell if they are or not. Also you yourself are assuming a lot about the...

Yeah I figured you would say that so let me rephrase it you can sense whether a church is alive or not using discernment Have you ever felt God's presence? how did you discern if that was really him or not? did ou not sense his spirit? or did you just assume it was him? how would you know...

No I am not basing it on how I feel and what I see that isn't how discernment works, are you not able to sense if say a demon is in the room? do you not feel a presence? this is using the gift of discerning spirits or when God is present in your room do you not feel and sense his presence? if...

You make sense and I guess you are right the true church cannot be spiritually dry so what of the others who just go through the motions? what will happen to the lukewatm?

In my pride? the gift of discernment is not something that only speciasl people have it is a gift every believer is supposed to have how else will you discern truth from false? how else will you be able to know if someone has a demon or how else will you discern any spiritual matter as a...

It is not judging when it is discerning the truth or lack there of to judge a church in a judgemental way it would mean you are saying something that isn't true but the fact is many churches have lost their fire many churches have watered down the teachings and lessons and many churches have...

It isn't just me many others say the same thing and for good reason in fact it is not about judging but discerning there is a difference some have the gift of discernment and when that gift is active when they enter in and listen to a church they can tell if it is spiritually dead or alive. The...

Using discernment is not the same as judging when you walk into a church that is full of the spirit you feel it but when you enter into one that is spiritually dry you also can feel it the spirit knows the spirit and so using our spiritual senses we are able to discern whether or not one is...

Well I pray that you will be able to buy a bigger house and find a church that is truly on fire for God

Yes this is true and for me if I want to test a church if they are spiritually dry or not I focus on the worship I can tell when people are praising him with all their hearts and souls and when they are just singing along

I have been to many churches in my time of being saved from the day I was saved in 2012 to now there is a pattern I have seen in every church well almost every church I have been to and that is how it just seemed to be spiritually dry not dead not exactly but dry. The sermons are nice the...

Only faith in Jesus Christ will save us and only faith in him will we remain in him peiod. We are not our own we are willing slaves to Christ and so therefore our salvation and faith can only rest in him there is no other door no other path no other doctrine or understanding. When you are on...