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  1. Clayman

    Tricking Satan with Justice...

    The translators of the Septuagint are also just as culpable in my mind, there are many reasons why, if Bene Elohim is not in the original then what was the original Hebrew words do you reckon? I suppose Angelos or what ever the word in Greek is, does not have to refer to angel either, but it...
  2. Clayman

    Tricking Satan with Justice...

    Rev 12:2 Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth. Rev 12:4 His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born. I think this is...
  3. Clayman

    Tricking Satan with Justice...

    Ah!!! preempting any response that I have that lines up with what Answers in Genesis have said including mocking tails that dont resemble cedar trees, I find it hilarious and apt that the video is spreading S***, I mean feces :ROFL::ROFL::devilish: But honestly Im not really keen to debate...
  4. Clayman

    Tricking Satan with Justice...

    Exactly!! zech 3:1 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him. And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked...
  5. Clayman

    Tricking Satan with Justice...

    I have to admit I find what the translators did here is inexcusable, changing the Word of God should be met with capital offence. Even though I believe according to Romans 8 that only men can be sons of God and heirs through Christ the Son of God, It does not come into consideration, even...
  6. Clayman

    Tricking Satan with Justice...

    Yes I concede there are not many verses about dinosaurs 15 “Look at Behemoth, which I made along with you and which feeds on grass like an ox. 16 What strength it has in its loins, what power in the muscles of its belly! 17 Its tail sways like a cedar; the sinews of its thighs...
  7. Clayman

    Tricking Satan with Justice...

    I have to disagree with you there, Revelation states exactly when Satan was cast out of heaven, in fact would it not seem illogical for the complete revelation of Jesus Christ not to reveal when Satan was cast out? There are two descriptions of the war in heaven in Rev 12, there are not two...
  8. Clayman

    Tricking Satan with Justice...

    Just to clarify that I thought the bit we would agree on is that spiritual battle or wrestling match is on earth not in heaven! I knew we disagree on whether Satan or demons have access to heaven. I just thought that most people have our spiritual battle on earth whether or not they believe...
  9. Clayman

    Tricking Satan with Justice...

    Are Satan and the angels mingling with all the saints that have gone on before us? To clarify this is how Im picturing your view point, Satan goes up to the Father and points at Moses over there and goes Moses is a dirty sinner he should not have eternal life he should not be here, God who is...
  10. Clayman

    Tricking Satan with Justice...

    Say why your annoyed at Genez? and Ill clear the misunderstanding up, dont let Satan get under your skin
  11. Clayman

    Tricking Satan with Justice...

    For sure, I guess I see above the sky as in the heavenly bodies like the sun moon and stars, like those who put them selves above others. So agree it is ambiguous in meaning and hey you dont have to convince me Im in the minority for agreeing with the way translators use to see this verse pre...
  12. Clayman

    Tricking Satan with Justice...

    Eph 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the high places. I guess one can read not against flesh and blood and conclude therefore our fight is...
  13. Clayman

    Tricking Satan with Justice...

    I like the out of the box thinking, o_O although I believe in a literal 7 days of creation, so I guess I see dinosaurs co habiting the earth with humans until recently, there are so many stories and legends about dinosaurs and dragons, throughout history until a few hundred years ago, like the...
  14. Clayman

    Tricking Satan with Justice...

    I dont think there will be two groups of demons with a king/ruler over each group in the tribulation period for the bible gives two witnesses that the king of the bottomless pit is Satan, we have both the Hebrew and the Greek words for the destroyer, Hebrew Old Testment, In Eygpt Satan the...
  15. Clayman

    Tricking Satan with Justice...

    When the Lord lowered himself from heaven to earth, he even made Himself lower than the angels. Heb 2:9 But we do see Jesus, who was made lower than the angels for a little while, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for...
  16. Clayman

    Rapture

    Do you have a verse or two that backs this up? am curious how you can possibly come to this conclusion, Why do post tribbers have this picture of meeting the Lord in the clouds? I read it as, we gather together and ascend in clouds to meet the Lord in the air not meet in the clouds, Not trying...
  17. Clayman

    Rapture

    I dont think anyone believes we will ascend in clouds to meet in the clouds, as it does not make sense for anyone, and as you say, once we meet the Lord in the air, there are two possibilities for us, continue on to be at home with the Lord in heaven or do a 180 and come back to earth which to...
  18. Clayman

    Demons

    Let me explain what I think you have done another way so you understand how I think! Let me make up A parallel example similar to the Lord calling Peter Satan. Say a husband cheats on his wife, and his wife calls him a good for nothing Judas. She is referring to Judas kissing the lord to...
  19. Clayman

    Demons

    Matt 16:23 Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.” Jesus had just announced His mission He was to accomplish was to about to be fulfilled, to lay down His life to pay for...
  20. Clayman

    Does Rom 5:18 teach that Christ died for all men without exception ?

    The thief on the cross in Luke 23 "And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom." brightfame to the thief, "you works exalting idiot how dare you ask the Lord for eternal life, you think you can earn your way into heaven." And Jesus to the Thief "Verily I say...