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  1. biblestudent78

    Is Salvation an event or a process?

    The fulcrum point of all Christians is their definition of faith. At 1 end of the spectrum is faith in the interpretive frameworks handed down through 500 yrs or so, or for 1,600 yrs. "This is what you must believe in to remain in our community. On the other end, the definition of faith is in...
  2. biblestudent78

    Is Salvation an event or a process?

    Gideon300: My alarm bells start going off whenever any bible student anthropomorphizes the bible from 700,000 words and 66 or more books into a living thing by announces that it "speaks." It does not. The bible does not say anything....given you are not listening to someone read it. When I hear...
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    Ok, Bible Students - A question

    Without or before consulting Google etc. What is your answer to this question "Who was God's First Born Son.?"
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    Is Salvation an event or a process?

    The KJV is never better translation. Greek, perhaps. 17th Century english not so much.
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    Is Salvation an event or a process?

    Where do you all fall on this line of theological history?
  6. biblestudent78

    Is Salvation an event or a process?

    Watchman22. You have presented a structured outline of processes known and unknown that you believe are in play. I want to call your attention to Gate 2 : The Acceptance of the surrendered life. their manifestations of our Pistos? How do you you suggest we juxtapose Faith and Pistis (greater...
  7. biblestudent78

    Is Salvation an event or a process?

    Gideon300: What if the goal of our faith was conversion from the old to the new? "We were told......" A significant and honest statement about where our perceptions of Christian reality come from...someone else's theology.
  8. biblestudent78

    The Rejection of Obedience

    But on the bright side: Scholars estimate that the population of Jerusalem around 950 BC was quite small, likely between 500 and 700 people. This estimate reflects the early urban development of the city, which was not yet a major metropolis. Some estimates have varied, with earlier scholars...
  9. biblestudent78

    Is Salvation an event or a process?

    Christianity rit large seems at odds with either answer. How do you see it?
  10. biblestudent78

    The Rejection of Obedience

    The story of God killing 70,000 Israelites as punishment for King David's actions is found in the Bible, specifically in 2 Samuel 24:1-15 and 1 Chronicles 21:1-14. In these passages, David conducts a census of Israel, which is seen as an act of pride and a lack of trust in God. As a result, God...
  11. biblestudent78

    The Rejection of Obedience

    2 Christ and Dave123: I think you are arguing points that have little practical difference. Perhaps the difference between Christianity and the Torah seem very different but in many ways, that is not so. When asked, Jesus told us the greatest commandments were love God and to love your neighbor...
  12. biblestudent78

    The Rejection of Obedience

    Proto-Hebrew often called Paleo Hebrew was method of writing Hebrew that continued from the very late 8th century BC until the end of Temple Judaism in 70 AD. The term describes the way Hebrew characters are written and to a lesser extent the incorporation of extensive Persian language elements...
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    The Rejection of Obedience

    If we believe in "God's unchanging Character" then we must accept Him as all the biblical descriptions describe Him. He can suffer deep regret He demands mass murders out of anger and commits mass murder out of anger. (when you think about Anger it means when something totally unexpected...
  14. biblestudent78

    The Rejection of Obedience

    Good question but there is no basis for it. First, the command to Paul was from the Jerusalem Church. While James was a leader of that church, he was not THE leader as we know that Peter and potentially other apostles and disciples were present during the discussion that resulted in the modified...
  15. biblestudent78

    Error that Refuses to Die

    (you choose silence from the trench) I have no clue about what you are attempting to say or how it relates to what I wrote. The same confusion continues: "Thank God, He cut any religiosity far from the "promises". I find your Hebrew Bible quotes lack any context - as many use the bible for...
  16. biblestudent78

    The Rejection of Obedience

    Soyeong: I like your approach. I think the obedience to Mosaic Law is stretched a little far. Not that the intention was for the every evolving Torah law to be obeyed, because there is no evidence that the vast majority of Hebrews who ever lived prior to about 250 BC never knew that corpus of...
  17. biblestudent78

    The Rejection of Obedience

    Dave123: I see you you like to quote the bible where and as it fit your metanarrative. "Christ's eternal Priesthood replaced the earthly Levitical priesthood. However their Priesthood code did endure into the age of Christianity. Their code of "the Just will live by faith" Romans 1:17: This...
  18. biblestudent78

    Error that Refuses to Die

    PAC-fit: IMHO, The greatest lie commonly believed is that the objective is "faith," usually defined as "In something" (Church, dogmas, creeds, catechisms and the Jesus defined by those dictates. I am willing to let all Christian faiths be judged by what their faith claim leads them to do. To be...
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    In your opinion is the entire Bible "inerrant" or "infallible" as it relates to scripture?

    CS1 - So who "signed" the texts of the Bible? Exactly how is "one's mind renewed by the Word of God given that almost no two Christian groups agree on what that means? Why do you say 66 books. 1.5 billion Christians believe there are 73 books and a smaller but much older group of Christians say...
  20. biblestudent78

    The Rejection of Obedience

    Soyeong, I think you will find Paul's analysis is that the Torah law could not every be kept. The Apostle Paul's analysis emphasizes that the Old Law, or Mosaic Law, is insufficient for justification and cannot be fully kept by humans. Paul articulates this perspective primarily in his letters...