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Is my car about to lock up and smash me into a brick wall. Lol

I dont understand how by us saying we chose to believe or not somehow makes us our own savior. Without Jesus sacrifice no one could be saved. Wether you believe in him or not. Without that graceful sacrafice not a single person believer or not could be saved. I dont understand how you think...

Does not one have to understand the same thing in order to reject it as the do to accept it?

My question to you Cameron143 is this. Out of the words regeneration salvation believing santification repenting ect ect. What things do you put in a continuous journey and what parts do you put in the instantaneous category. Like checkpoints along a line

You ask the questions the hard way haha. Yes I believe repentance is part of salvation. Without fruits there is no repentance. And the fruits bareth witnesses. I believe if you do not repent you just put your car in the ditch on your journey. And you aint never getting your car out of that...

Thats all I needed to hear thank you.

I guess I would say this i believe he is at work around us. ( like a fishing lure to a fish) but he is not at work in us till we bite the hook (aka believe) I absolutely believe God is at work around us it is one of the many ways he draws us in. I also believe we have to take the bait.

Obviously this opens a whole can of worms. Are you saying babies that die in the womb go to to hell if he hasent choose them?

Are you building a custom transmission

Belief is necessary. Absolutely neccessary.

But that has to mean then you were never in danger of dying and going to hell. You were always saved no matter what.

This is where I think alot of the confusion comes from. IMO elect are those chosen for a purpose to enact God's will on earth. Moses David Paul. The elect are a special believer. Apostle or prophet ect. The predestination or forknowledge thing just means God in his infinite wisdom knew who would...

I guess I just can't follow the line of reasoning. Even before I came to Jesus while I was at the bar chasing women or whatever else. I was actually saved and didnt even know it.

Don't have to repent dont have to read the Bible. You go to bars chase women.if you are predestined you can't go anywhere but up.

You are on a differnt level than the other ones here. Thats a good thing by the way lol

Got it we can do whatever we want as long as we are the predestined ones.

So if they are unsaved till the day God decides to regenerate them does that mean 1000 people can stand in front of a semi truck doing a 120mph and the ones that survive must be the predestined ones?

I get that line of reasoning atleast. However is dosent clear up weather or not we actually have to get on our knees and repent. Your first paragraph here says you do not have to do that. Your belief is the true repentance. Its good enough. If I am gonna be learning about different doctrine I...

Then you savying being saved comes before repentance. That is the only way to make that make sence.

That dosent adress the repentance thing. Your verse said lead them to repentance. who or what makes us decide to get on our knees?