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    The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

    I am leaning toward preterist/idealist myself, and the way I view it is that we should view Revelation and prophesies the same way we view pretty much any other Epistle or Biblical narrative: that the actual message or events happened back then, but we need to apply those same principles today...
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    The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

    I will try to break down fact from interpretation here. Starting with Numbers 1:5-16. The 12 tribes of Israel per Torah do not match the tribes per Revelation 7. Manasseh was not replaced--he is in both. Dan and Ephraim were replaced by Levi and Joseph. And Levi was excluded from the...
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    The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

    Actually, in a sense, yes--Jesus comes back to marry the bridesmaids (plural). Seeing as how the Church (the bride) is composed of many believers (plural). It is a parable. The point Jesus is trying to get through is in the symbolism--not in where the symbolism breaks down. "Night" is one...
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    The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

    It's not a matter of not reading. It's a matter of not buying it.
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    The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

    Jesus was prophesied in Deuteronomy 18. The Hebrews were told that God would send a Prophet, and that anyone who didn't listen to him would be utterly cut off from God's people. For the longest time, Jews banked on this for their reason for believing in a future Messiah. This, Peter says...
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    The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

    PlainWord, how much have you studied the Bar Kochba revolt? More Bible historians than not believe that Revelation was written post-70AD, but interestingly, that doesn't change the end result, when taking the 132AD Bar Kochba revolt into account. Two years AFTER the Romans flattened the...
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    The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

    To start, you need to read the full context of Acts 3:23, as PlainWord quoted. If you caught that, you would not be asking PlainWord that last question.
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    The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

    When is everybody asleep? At night. That is what "at night" means. Jesus comes back when everybody is asleep, so keep your lamps burning--that is what Jesus keeps saying over and over again. No need to create a false dichotomy where none exists.
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    I DON'T BELIEVE THE MILLENIUM WILL BE ON EARTH, BUT RATHER, UP IN HEAVEN

    Again, Satan is unleashed, and there is war. Earth or no earth. You seem overly focused on people returning to earth after they die, but if you are going to simply read the book for what it says, then the rest of the Bible repeatedly says that believers' tribulation is over for good once this...
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    Which bible story do you think the coronavirus pandemic mirrors most closely if any and why?

    Closest parallel I see is David sinning against God by taking a census, and God striking down Israel with a plague until eventually the people prayed it away. Second closest parallel I see are end times prophecies: not just of a substantial portion of the population dying of plague, but of...
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    The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

    No, they were--according to this account--unbelieving at the time they are sealed, and probably after the Rapture (because anyone Jew or Gentile who was saved at the time of the Rapture is no longer there). Yet they are predestined for salvation later on. The problem is, the tribe of Dan was...
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    Matthew 18:9?

    While I believe this Scripture to be literal: i.e. if your eye causes you to sin, then it is quite literally better to gouge your eye out than to be thrown in Hell, I believe this Scripture to have symbolic application aplenty. - if easy access to food makes you a glutton, remove the food -...
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    Do all children get raptured?

    Now this is a nice, prickly thorn in the pre-trib side.
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    The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

    If you support preDESTINATION, I concede that your belief system can be consistent. But if we go with foreknowledge alone and salvation is a personal decision made as an individual, then having all these numbers all neatly fit into 12,000 for 12 tribes is a bit far-fetched. As an Arminian, I...
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    The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

    I cannot buy both the idea that a literal 12,000 will be saved and that man has a free will. Either one has to give, or the other. I don't buy into partial predestination, either. John's message is that Jews can be, and will be, saved. So include them in the Church and don't exclude them...
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    The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

    But that's where this alleged Third Temple is. In Judea.
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    Is Torah Law?

    That is the million-dollar question. I don't think there is a single easy answer to that question, but at the same time there is. Romans 2:9-29 offers a lot of insight. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=romans%202&version=NIV Romans 2:14-15 says that Gentiles sometimes obey...
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    I DON'T BELIEVE THE MILLENIUM WILL BE ON EARTH, BUT RATHER, UP IN HEAVEN

    Hey, I've got a question: Then why weren't they? I mean, if all God had to do was perform some miracles and that would save Sodom, and God is a compassionate, merciful God, then why not do it?
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    The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

    That is over-reading it. These are what we THINK to be two distinct groups of saved people, but not really. Whether saved from a previous life of Jew or Gentile, we all live under one umbrella: that of Christ. But because we treat these groups as different so often, John had the need to...
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    I DON'T BELIEVE THE MILLENIUM WILL BE ON EARTH, BUT RATHER, UP IN HEAVEN

    The first time I read Revelation as a kid, that's what I first thought, too. The problem is, there are things that occur after the Millennium. Satan is loosed again, and there is war again. Doesn't compute. But then again, with the Millennium, pretty much nothing computes.