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I just can't wait for people like this to get to heaven and see Jesus do the ultimate face-palm

Care to translate that into english?

Nice dodge! Now how about answering the question?

So if the earth is flat, does that mean all the other planets, moons, and suns are also flat?

That is the sad state we find ourselves in. One problem is peoples mistaken belief that we have to choose between one of the two. We are free to reject them both. And a viable third option will not appear until enough people show they are willing to reject them both.

Yes, we were warned thousands of years ago that the world would move in this direction. We should not act surprised to see it happening.

Yes, but there is a difference between the culture being affected, and trying to codify it.

And that is what drives me, I don't want to see any of my brothers and sisters deceived into turning from their faith by false teachers/prophets/leaders. That's why I'm the lone kid in the crowd crying out that the emperor has no clothes.

Exactly. And it is highly suspect, imho, to think the kings/presidents/governments bringing about the end of this world will be righteous people. Even when they claim to be.

Uhm, it repeatedly says some who believe will be deceived as well

Besides being a total cop-out, I'd like to see where you find support for that idea in the Bible.

That is what Jesus said, render unto Caesar and all. But when man's laws conflict with God's laws, we have to follow God. I think the point here is that, while Jesus taught us how we should live, He never forced anyone to follow His teachings, and He never petitioned Rome to codify His...

Excellent, I think I'll save this one. But can you elaborate on how this applies to the OP? I think this deserves it's own thread.

2 Timothy 2: 3 Join with me in suffering, like a good soldier of Christ Jesus. 4 No one serving as a soldier gets entangled in civilian affairs, but rather tries to please his commanding officer.

All your points are valid. My point is; 1. DO NOT conflate the cross with politics, because they are most often in conflict with each other. 2. When the government is at odds with the teachings of Jesus, well, choose whom you will serve.

I love it! May I use it elsewhere?