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    Revelation 19- A major Key to understanding Revelations

    Correct. A remnant of the ethnic Jews will become one in Christ with us once they do that. The question that still remains in this discussion is whether or not it happens on the current earth in Jesus' resurrected presence, and whether they are allowed to live in peace for 1,000 years...
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    Revelation 19- A major Key to understanding Revelations

    As for your statement: "And your finale — “Gentiles will be subservient to the Jew and glad for the opportunity” — is exactly why your system collapses: it requires a future hierarchy the NT obliterates when it says “there is neither Jew nor Greek… you are all one in Christ Jesus”. If this is...
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    Revelation 19- A major Key to understanding Revelations

    What do you mean when you say, "The only place at that time that you will find a Jew will be in the earth, not on it."? What do you believe happens during this resting period? In Ezekiel 39 it shows that the House of Israel will spend 7 months burying all of the dead bodies and 7 years...
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    Revelation 19- A major Key to understanding Revelations

    You said: "Revelation 7:15 doesn’t give you a mortal, sin‑and‑die millennium with a functioning earthly temple; it gives you resurrected saints in heaven, serving God “day and night” in His heavenly temple, the same one Revelation repeatedly locates in heaven, not on earth (Rev 11:19; 14:17...
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    Revelation 19- A major Key to understanding Revelations

    You said: "Your entire argument hinges on treating Jesus’ “not one jot or tittle will pass until heaven and earth pass away” as if He meant “the Mosaic covenant must continue literally until the physical universe dissolves,” when He Himself explains the opposite two verses later:" Hello...
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    Revelation 19- A major Key to understanding Revelations

    You said: "The irony? You accuse me of “empty words” unless I can diagram every symbol, while your system adds an entire era—mortals, sin, death, temple, judges—that the NT never once describes, then calls that “taking all prophecy.” Revelation 11 mentions a temple and Revelation 7:15 says...
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    Revelation 19- A major Key to understanding Revelations

    You said: "You’re trying to rescue your millennium by treating “the covenant was historically present until 70 AD” as if that means “the covenant was spiritually operative until 70 AD,” but Hebrews doesn’t care when the priests stopped sacrificing — it says the covenant was terminated at the...
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    Revelation 19- A major Key to understanding Revelations

    And I refuse to accept that the New Testament deletes and erases a HUGE amount of Old Testament scripture. The level of detail given in Isaiah, Ezekiel and the Psalms shouldn't be written off as "poetry". It's prophecy. And Jesus said He would FULFILL IT ALL in Luke 24:44. There would be no...
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    Revelation 19- A major Key to understanding Revelations

    You said: "The apostles weren’t practicing syncretism; they were navigating the last breaths of a covenant God was about to terminate, not modeling a future return of Levitical worship." According to you previously, the covenant was terminated immediately upon Christ's fulfillment on the cross...
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    Revelation 19- A major Key to understanding Revelations

    In order for you to say that a peaceful era never happens on earth, you have to totally ignore HUGE amounts of scripture. People won't be going back to living hundreds of years old in Isaiah 65 just to die in Heaven.
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    Revelation 19- A major Key to understanding Revelations

    I'll ask you the same thing that I did OMC, how do you see that happening and unfolding? I really want to be able to follow your train of thought. How does Ezekiel and Isaiah become fulfilled to fit into this equation? How do we come to a period of peace where people will live to be hundreds...
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    Revelation 19- A major Key to understanding Revelations

    You said: "The release isn’t a mystery; Paul already explains it in 2 Thess 2: evil reaches its final, climactic outbreak before Christ destroys it. The restraint isn’t Jesus “waiting in heaven”; it’s the same restraint Paul describes in 2 Thess 2:6–7, the sovereign limitation of satanic...
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    Revelation 19- A major Key to understanding Revelations

    You said: "And your questions about “who restrains sin,” “who judges Israel,” “who handles earthly duties,” and “what Jesus does for 1,000 years” only expose the problem: your system requires answers Scripture never gives, because Revelation 20 never describes mortals living, sinning...
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    Revelation 19- A major Key to understanding Revelations

    You said: "Paul’s own explanation of his ritual participation is not syncretism but accommodation — strategic cultural flexibility for evangelism, not restoring Levitical worship; the early church fell into Marian excess because they added practices God never commanded." If we want to be...
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    Revelation 19- A major Key to understanding Revelations

    No, my model takes ALL of prophecy throughout the ENTIRE BIBLE and pieces it together, unlike yours. In your view, I see all kinds of problems. If Paul "became as a Jew, in order to win the Jews", then he may have been the original believer that encouraged "religious syncretism" in order to...
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    Revelation 19- A major Key to understanding Revelations

    Why do you think Paul kept practicing Jewish traditions while he taught that they weren't conducive to the overall plan? In the meanwhile, you have given absolutely NO explanation for the purpose of the 1,000 year reign of peace on earth. And since you haven't and can't, then apparently it...
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    Revelation 19- A major Key to understanding Revelations

    I can tell from your posts that you are strict left-brain linear thinker without the ability to see scripture the way it's written. You told me that you were taught about "prophetic telescoping" in school, but were you ever able to mentally grasp it? For starters, all prophecy isn't limited to...
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    Revelation 19- A major Key to understanding Revelations

    Does it? Since Paul doesn't speak of a Millennial Kingdom, even though we know there is one, could it be that Gentile believers are already in the New Jerusalem while everything else is going on in the earth? Could it be that God/Jesus is using this time period to show Israel exactly what...
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    Revelation 19- A major Key to understanding Revelations

    The only way your view works is if it matches the one I presented earlier in this thread when I first entered the conversation in post #888. I'll copy and paste it again below. This is the only way both of our views might be able to reconcile...
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    Revelation 19- A major Key to understanding Revelations

    I'm going to have to disagree with you. Yes, both the Old and New Testaments suggest that Jesus will leave His current heavenly position to establish a literal, earthly reign. Old Testament Prophecies The Old Testament consistently portrays the Messiah ruling from a physical throne on earth...