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  1. biblestudent78

    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    OMC: My response was to your use of the word "alignment." The list you provided, while coherent, is not an alignment with anything but your narrative. I can better understand attempting to align with a narrative, which you provided, than with the scriptures as suggested because they are...
  2. biblestudent78

    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    Alignment is an interesting concept. Even alignment-adjacent is challenging. It assumes there is a coherent, consistent and navigable framework for that alignment stretching from 800 BC Canaan to 100 AD Rome. That unique alignment must align stories, wars, history, songs, poems, allegories and...
  3. biblestudent78

    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    OMC: It would be incorrect to minimize the emotional component of both Catholic and Orthodox services and liturgies. For many these are very emotional experiences that often presents as "reverence" with the Catholics feeling they are connecting to the "original" Church and appreciating a long...
  4. biblestudent78

    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    OMC: I have attended a "Holy Spirit" Church service. I have experienced "Speaking in Tongues" but I did not see any attempt to by anyone to "interpret" those tongues. They arose after extensive singing and preaching. Once the first person started then speaking in tongues spread through the...
  5. biblestudent78

    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    All these eternal arguments illustrate one deeply sad reality. We only want to relate to God in accordance with our theology. We are satisfied only when we can conceptualize a God who validates our personal preconceptions ancient theologies. We define "truth" as a precast scripted collections...
  6. biblestudent78

    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    Did you miss the point on purpose? The history of Christianity is one of ever evolving interpretation fueled division and "my way or the highway" on virtually every issue which you claim to be self evident. History is history. It is accessible in vast libraries in text and in data. No A.I...
  7. biblestudent78

    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    CS1: Better sit down. I did not use any A.I. in my research. I used by usual scholarship sources. Your attempt to impune my argument by inventing a fake source demonstrates that your "I am an expert" on all thing biblical is suspect.
  8. biblestudent78

    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    3. The Waldensians. Now, let's encounter a movement that actually got burned for heresy. The Waldensians. In 1173, a wealthy merchant from Lion named Peter Waldo experienced a spiritual crisis. According to the chronicle, he witnessed someone dying suddenly at a feast and was seized with the...
  9. biblestudent78

    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    I is not my job to "validate their claims." Obviously, they conflict with my Christian experience and massively struggle to find purchase in the New Testament. More importantly, there have been 7 major attempts to "restore New Testament Christianity." Or at least find some validity for the...
  10. biblestudent78

    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    OMC Just on the basis of good communication, it is helpful if you state your objectives for introducing data.
  11. biblestudent78

    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    My apologies. It had been my impression that we both aspire to a coherent perspective of hermeneutics. We seek insight into the scriptural narrative and external processes of evaluation, meaning, insight and history.
  12. biblestudent78

    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    OMC Let's look at the credentials of those who validate your perspectives: Gordon D. Fee (1934–2022) was a famous New Testament scholar, Pentecostal theologian, and professor who wrote widely read books on biblical interpretation from a Pentecostal perspective. Craig Keener is widely...
  13. biblestudent78

    Is there any value in understanding the historical settings surrounding biblical narratives?

    OMC History is a counter-intuitive venture. How human beings grasp time is important because it defines how we understand the time in which we live. Consequently, history calls us to choose from different versions of what has already happened. In our own lives innumerable things that have...
  14. biblestudent78

    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    I have, in my youth, 20-24, lived in a community of the Latter Day Saints. I became fully aware of their their theology and what I consider their unsupported history. I have deep admiration for their "community." I support their insistence of the sanctity of marriage. Their evangelistic -...
  15. biblestudent78

    Is there any value in understanding the historical settings surrounding biblical narratives?

    Retrospective, theology can go anywhere the compass points. Seems to me the story is about Judah's total 600 yr subjugation to Egypt, Babylone, Persia, Egypt Greece and Rome. For a very brief time via the Hasmoneans, Judea were free before the total destruction by Rome until in 70 AD and...
  16. biblestudent78

    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    It is not my intention to obfuscate anyone or anybody that claims a "supernatural" experience. My point is that while after 72 yrs of Christianity, I have not personally seen the validity of "supernatural manifestations."
  17. biblestudent78

    Is there any value in understanding the historical settings surrounding biblical narratives?

    The prophets spoke to their own generation, yes, but they also spoke beyond their generation because the Spirit carried them to realities they themselves did not fully grasp .....and the angels longed to get a glimpse of. That does not mean that every prophecy was about Jesus. It does not mean...
  18. biblestudent78

    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    Churchgoer: I appreciate the questions. Before I answer it, let me set the stage for my comments. I believe that by the nature of your question you see the objective as defined by knowledge. i.e. doctrine, theology and scripture. This may indicate that this conceptualization and framework of...
  19. biblestudent78

    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    I do not "attack" anyone no matter what they believe. It not in my Christian makeup. 1 Corinthians 12 and 14 do not prove that the works or gifts of the Holy Spirit have stopped. In fact, these chapters provide instructions on how to use and regulate active spiritual gifts like prophecy...