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  1. biblestudent78

    Is there any value in understanding the historical settings surrounding biblical narratives?

    I see it the other way. I believe God sent prophets to speak to the people of their time. The prophets raged against social injustice, then not now. They demanded people turn back to God, then not now. Constantly plumbing the Hebrew Bible to extract a revelation secretly written to people who...
  2. biblestudent78

    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    We have verified reports of Works of the Holy Spirit up until the merger of the State and Christianity in 383 AD. Throughout the entire span between 383 AD (shortly after the Council of Constantinople solidified the orthodox doctrine of the Holy Spirit's deity) and 1900 AD, millions of...
  3. biblestudent78

    Is there any value in understanding the historical settings surrounding biblical narratives?

    OMC: Your designation of Isaiah 56-66 as some kind of Messianic restoration polemic is not supported by that text, in my opinion. Isaiah 56 focuses on two major themes: God's inclusion of marginalized outcasts into His covenant, and a severe rebuke of Israel’s corrupt, blind leaders. The...
  4. biblestudent78

    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    Ok, perhaps an overstatement on my part. Paul did not "rescind" the instructions he was given on the issues under discussion. Let's agree that he "reframed" those prohibitions. Starting with "idols are nothing" Paul states that food itself is spiritually neutral. An idol is nothing but wood or...
  5. biblestudent78

    Is there any value in understanding the historical settings surrounding biblical narratives?

    As we have discussed "prophetic texts" are whatever you choose them to be. Let's look at the full context of Isaiah 56 to see the actual exegesis of the snippet you provided: This is what the LORD says: “Maintain justice and do what is right, for My salvation is coming soon, and My righteousness...
  6. biblestudent78

    Is there any value in understanding the historical settings surrounding biblical narratives?

    I understand your point of view. It's unstated presupposition is that there can be no conflicts allowed by the reader. The hermeneutical approach is that no conflict is allowed. Thus any "plausible" explanation takes precedence over what is most likely. Proof texting from Hebrew Bible snippets...
  7. biblestudent78

    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    Interesting: OMC A few notes. The first Bishop of Rome (Excluding Peter) was Linus. Later medieval traditions and accounts, such as those found in the Liber Pontificalis, attribute numerous active miracles to Linus himself. These include performing exorcisms—specifically casting a demon out of...
  8. biblestudent78

    Is there any value in understanding the historical settings surrounding biblical narratives?

    Tall_Timbes You are correct that there are two accounts of Jesus overturning tables of the money changers in the temple. However, there is no basis for it having happened twice. In Matthew, Mark and Luke they place Jesus overturning the table of the temple money changers on the last week of...
  9. biblestudent78

    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    OMC: There is curious history associated with the general idea of "Gifts of the Holy Spirit," "Spiritual Gifts" ect. There is no doubt that the early church 70 AD - 380 AD experienced many and varied forms of these manifestations of the Holy Spirit. We have evidence from Gifts of the Holy...
  10. biblestudent78

    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    Inquisitor: Pardon me for butting to this discussion. I am fully aware of the historic rise of the current Pentecostal"Spirit led Christianity" movement dating back to 1906. I am also aware there have been great "Spirit led reawakenings in the past as well. The great American revivals of the...
  11. biblestudent78

    Is there any value in understanding the historical settings surrounding biblical narratives?

    Dino246 How would you compare your awareness of Paul's "time sensitive" and "cultural sensitive" admonitions to Jesus chapter long: Matthew 25: 31“When the Son of Man comes in his glory and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. 32All the nations will be assembled...
  12. biblestudent78

    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    Lamar: I find it interesting when you talk about the Holy Spirit as being "in the Bible." In traditional Judaism, the Ruach HaKodesh is understood as an aspect of God's presence or inspiration, not a separate divine person. His breath, His will, His power etc. refers only to YHWH. The New...
  13. biblestudent78

    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    Thank you sir. My name is Tom Traylor, Richmond Texas
  14. biblestudent78

    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    I appreciate the response, but I don't know who wrote it. Please identify yourself. And to quibble: "a massive body of Jewish literature later rejected by Rome" The educated in Rome prior until about 200 AD were big fans of Judaism. They were educated in Greek Philosophy that provided no...
  15. biblestudent78

    Is there any value in understanding the historical settings surrounding biblical narratives?

    JohnDB As noted obscure ancient "prophecy" is an open door for discussion and interpretation. Sometimes I wonder if dwelling on these is swatting at gnats and swallowing camels. The core tenets of Christianity have been in some form of debate/warfare since 390 AD. So, i think the new next open...
  16. biblestudent78

    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    Genez: I am familiar with the writings and sermons of Robert E Thieme Jr. My dad attended Dallas Baptist Seminary with his father. Like his prodigious father, "Bobby" has continued on his father's work since 2003. Together they have created a library of lessons on the bible numbering in the...
  17. biblestudent78

    Is there any value in understanding the historical settings surrounding biblical narratives?

    John DB The book of Revelation is apocalyptic literature, while also blending prophetic and epistolary (letter) genres. Thus it is full of imagery. Obviously, it was written to the people of the author's time about events happening and about to happen and things people were fearful might happen...
  18. biblestudent78

    Is there any value in understanding the historical settings surrounding biblical narratives?

    JohnDB: How much do you know about the Roman attack on Jerusalem? What do you consider the "WHOLE" story?