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Reread what you just wrote. Job cursed the **day**. You just wrote that very thing. Job did not curse his mother. You're confusing the subjects.

Agree. Such good input here. The only thing I would maybe put a finer point on is that while it was satan that did the stealing/killing/destorying, it is God who allowed it. satan would not have been able to do any of those things had not God made it possible. That said, it opens up a very...

Job said these things because that is what Job in particular was experiencing during his ordeal. Job was undergoing a test, remember? The apostle James enlightens us stating that Job endured. Some of the worst things imaginable were thrown at Job, and you know what? He kept the faith. That's the...

Um...what? Job never curses his mother. That interpretation is a perversion of the text.

You are wrong about Elihu. He is not the mediator he claims to be. Job consistently asks to meet with God --- and guess what? God Himself appears to Job and speaks to him directly. Elihu says God speaks in 2 ways, in dreams and through pain, and yet Elihu does not account for the fact that God...

Ha! Of all people in this thread to level this accusation at someone. Really rich. Nowhere does Job exalt himself above God. The only place this is written is in the mouth of the accuser and false prophet Elihu. Truly stupefying. Did you notice all of the praise God gives about Job at the...

Obvious to who? Yes, God asks Job that **question** and Job effectively answers "no". So the answer is no Job does not condemn God. This alone proves satan wrong because Job is seeing God face to face and does not curse Him as satan falsely claimed from the beginning. See? That's the story...

As pointed out to you before, I don't think it's the same kind of fear you are thinking of as in Rev 21:8. The words in Job 3:25 are the Hebrew words Strong's #6342. pachad and Strong's #3025. yagor which have more to do with an expression of "dread". For example, Bob woke up Monday morning...

Job 2:3 3And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without...

It's unclear to me whether you are not understanding the point or purposefully obfuscating it. Let me try one last time, okay? The thrust of the argument of Job's 3 friends is that Job had sinned to incur his suffering. Got it? They believe he must have done something wrong if he is suffering...

Trying to follow your line of thinking here... How did you conclude Job was the one who caused God's hedge of protection to be removed? Is this the living in fear theory again? If so, where does it say that in the text? Or is there another reason you are saying Job caused God to remove the hedge...

Seems like you might be trying to have it both ways here. You assert Job is "living in sin" and yet simultaneously "upright" still. So by your metric, it appears God us punishing Job with the suffering to punish and correct his fearful state of being? I see your point about how Job says what he...

We can move on to your other points, gladly. It must be pointed out that it did not seem to me there was an adequate explanation from you regarding Job 33:23-28, only assertions. Anyway, regarding your God giving 6 chapters to Elihu point. This has been addressed by me (for you specifically)...

Job 33:25-28 25 His flesh shall be fresher than a child's: he shall return to the days of his youth: 26 He shall pray unto God, and he will be favourable unto him: and he shall see his face with joy: for he will render unto man his righteousness. 27 He looketh upon men, and if any say, I have...

No I addressed the verses you first referenced in Job 33:23-28. You have not responded to those explanations at all and instead keep redirecting to other points. Sorry, mischaracterizing what I have written (which anyone can read) comes across to me as very dishonest. So after multiple...

I wrote several posts in response to yours explaining it. Did you read them?

No. Not sure what your calculus is for determining how other people understand things, but your perception of mine is incorrect. There are many things to inform my understanding of the book of Job, not just two phrases. The reason these phrases may have been emphasized is because other...

Yes, we agree Job had not sinned against God prior to the first test. Also, neither had Job sinned prior to the second test either. God states Job's suffering is "without cause" (Job 2:3) --- meaning Job had not committed any sin to incur his suffering. So if he had not sinned prior to the...

So many things to address here, but let's stay on topic, shall we? Once again, it appears you are avoiding the substance of the post. So here it is again below. You quoted Elihu in Job 33:25 and I responded: (begin previous post) Yes, I can see your point how the picture Elihu paints has some...

So we see here you are not addressing the substance of the post. You wrote nothing about what Elihu says about Job and the context in which he says it. Instead it appears you have retreated into one of your talking points. I find that avoiding the facts and evidence of this story makes your...