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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    John Wesley must be judged also as we all must be. However, I think he accomplished a lot for God. Sometimes even real experiences from God can lead even believers into excess. Having had Bipolar Disorder for 30 years has made me skeptical about my own emotional states. The hymn says "I dare not...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    I am not struggling with it. I choose not to use YOUR invented terminology because I think adding the word physical to the word supernatural is confuses the issue. Any supernatural exercise of God's power CAN affect a change in the physical world or in the physical body. When Jesus stilled the...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    I used to listen to Kulman when I was a boy. I agree that she had an overly dramatic way of speaking which I later discovered, was in part due to a speech impediment she had when she was younger. She reportedly learned to overcome it by over-enunciating her words. Be that as it may, I do not...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    Your views are also based on dogma - not the doctrines of the ancient Church but that of latter day theologians like Conyers Middleton (AD 1683-1750) and B. B. Warfield (AD 1851-1921). These came up with the idea of Cessationism a millenia after the scriptures were written. These two men were...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    (a). So you reject the notion that God still might do miracles because you have not PERSONALLY witnessed any (b). NOT because of anything Jesus, the Apostles or the scriptures have said on the subject. (c). This shows that you decide what is true and real is, ONLY what you perceive with your...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    (a). So you reject the notion that God still might do miracles because you have not PERSONALLY witnessed any (b) NOT because of anything Jesus, the Apostles or the scriptures have said on the subject. (c). Your basis of what is true and real is, therefore, ONLY what we perceive with our senses...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    Don't flatter yourself. What you said is not hard to grasp, it is just wrong. I know it is wrong because the Lord Jesus already told us what the manna signified when He explained it to the disciples a very long time ago. No doubt you are frustrated that you cannot find scriptures which tell us...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    The point was NOT that the manna CEASED but that it had miraculously SUSTAINED Israel during their time in the desert. You cannot use manna as an all-purpose type to indicate the cessation of anything you happen to believe is no longer in effect. Specifically, manna represented Christ who...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    Okay, I get that this is your personal opinion but Simon Magus and Simon Peter did not disagree about whether the miraculous power of the Holy Spirit was ongoing Denial of this is what you believe. The two Simons knew it was continuing. Their disagreement had to do with motive. Simon Magus...
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    Loss of salvation???

    In order to understand what the authors of scripture were saying we must understood their words according to their grammatical-lexical and historic context. We must avoid importing their words into our vernacular before we understand their original use. This is a generally accepted principle of...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    Are all claims to supernatural works "dubious." What about the testimony of the Apostles and Eye Witnesses? There have always been Simon Magus followers but not to the degree as they are today. How do you know this? What is your evidence?
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    A. I, for one, do not accept EVERY claim of those who believe God has done something supernatural for them. (1) Instead I test their claims to determine if what happened could be seen as supernatural. If an outcome is inexplicable then I am not reluctant to say God did it. (2) God answers our...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    We need not speculate about the symbolic meaning of the manna. Christ said HE WAS the manna from heaven. …48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, yet they died. 50 This (Christ Himself) is the bread that came down from heaven, so that anyone may eat of it...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    A. What is the source of this fictional narrative? Did you learn it from your Church or did you just invent it whole cloth out of your own imagination? The ECF not only believed in the spiritual gifts, they reported that they were ONGOING during their lifetime which was in the first two...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    I have not found any of the Early Church Father who even hinted at the Completed Canon explanation. I think this was an ad hoc explanation intended to prove something which, at the time, was not an issue.
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    Unbelief does not always pertain to believing the basic truth propositions of the faith. While this is necessary walking by the Spirit involves also how we conduct ourselves and make decisions and in our daily lives. Paul told us to "walk in the Spirit" and, that if we do this we will not...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    1) I agree with your conclusion that the gift of healing is not a transferable power 2) Neither is it a divine ability to confer healing on anyone at any time the "possessor of the gift" chooses 3) If that had been the case, do we not think the Apostle Paul would have "healed" his beloved...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    The term used in the Bible is "spiritual gifts" Should we not prefer to use this term rather than neologisms? The primary reference about NT spiritual gifts is not so much Isaiah as the prophecy of Joel which was cited by Peter in the first great spiritual outpouring: And afterward, I will pour...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    Apparently, whatever group Lamar belongs to sees conversion as merely adopting an ideology, philosophy, or joining a religious movement. Otherwise, why would he be so incredulous about an individual having a personal supernatural encounter with God? Did Jesus not come to start a new religion...
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    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    Why should he bother, given your predisposition to disbelief and the fact that you routinely reject personal testimony as evidence of anything Proverbs 9:8 says: ....don’t bother correcting mockers; they will only hate you. But correct the wise, and they will love you.