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everlasting grace It makes good sense My point exactly, thats different from saying that a unregenerate person believes. If its Gods work in a person, thats called regeneration, and the effectual call Yes all of which is the Gift of Gods Grace Right Faith accompanies Salvation by Grace...

Since you believe a unregenerate man can believe the gospel and get saved as a result of it, you believe and promote salvation by works, by what the unsaved, unregenerate man does. You see believing is a mental activity with the heart, mind will and affections. The bible is against salvation by...

We can discuss what I have posted. That doesnt mean I will jump and start explaining everything you want me to explain. The things I have already explained you fail to understand.

Yeah I am aware of those scriptures, yet they do nothing against the fact that them who believe, believe because of Grace Acts 18:27 27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had...

Yes Gods Grace is the source of believing Acts 18:27, and I believe the Grace is the Grace of the New Birth

No Im not confused, people who believe, do so because of Grace Acts 18:27 27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace: So I know that when I see that some...

I believe it. Where did I say I dont believe it ?

It takes time to explain those verses, yet you dont even understand the things I have taken time to explain, like Believing is the by product of Grace as Per Acts 18:27 27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was...

Faith is the by product of Grace., true believers believe because of grace Acts 18:27 27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace: And Grace here is another...

Im repeating the Truth. If you condition any part of Salvation on what you do, its works. Salvation is 100% of Gods Grace. Gods Work

Yet even within greek grammer the word that neuter can denote the whole process of Salvation by Grace through Faith as being the Gift of God. Nothing of Salvation by Grace through Faith is of ourselves. Salvation is not of ourselves, Grace is not of us, Faith is not of ourselves, all the Gift...

Its really nothing to discuss, Salvation by Grace through Faith is the Gift of God. And again if you condition salvation in any degree on what you do, its works! Apart from Grace making us alive, men are spiritually dead in sin and can do nothing spiritually.

Faith is a Gift from Salvation by Grace which is the New Birth. Again if you insist that your faith, or believing while in a spiritual dead state, is what caused or assisted in God saving you, its works.

RunnM My question is, how does someone have faith first without Spiritual Life being that Faith is Spiritual even a fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22; 2 Thess 2:13.

In Eph 2:8 Saved by Grace is synonymous with the new birth, quickening in Vs 5 and Faith comes by that Grace, so it is a Gift of God because the saving grace of the new birth is a Gift. The whole process of Salvation by grace through faith is the Gift of God. But now if you yank faith out of...

running It seems you want to get into a different topic, election, correct ?

runn Yes, Faith is the Gift of God, not of ourselves, its the fruit of Spiritual life Yeah as stated Faith is the Gift of God, and no everyone isnt given faith, Just Christs Sheep Yes if you do take credit for it, then that makes it your work, or your goodness being the ground as to why...

runningman Right and that makes it a work! So is it your work naturally or a work that was by the regenerating grace of God ? Scripture states we believe by grace Acts 18:27 27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when...

I dont understand. So did you understand the post point I made ?

Yet if a person takes credit for their own faith, and say, that's why God saved me, because I exercised or put my faith in Jesus Christ, then that becomes salvation by your works. There can only be a contrast of faith vs works, when it can be acknowledged that faith in salvation isn't of...