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It seems what we're dealing with here are different stages of spiritual growth. On the low end of the scale you can be considered a "natural man" and on the high end, a spiritual man. A person can be anywhere along that scale and have different amounts of knowledge, different beliefs, and...

Romans 8:29,30 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified. Right, they were...

What about Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira? (Acts 5) They were among the believers, even close to the apostles, yet they sinned against the holy spirit and were struck dead. And as we know: Matthew 12:32 ....anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this...

I guess I haven't totally written off the possibility of it being God. Maybe God knows your husband will change only if you leave him for a minute. Maybe God knows if you don't, your husband won't change and there will be heartbreak in your future. Maybe God is giving you a warning to avoid the...

I was thinking about starting a thread about salvation, too. Haha

As the saying goes, we don't HAVE to do anything. God doesn't Require the best for us but he Wants the best for us. If you feel like you got what you wanted out of this thread, ok. I was just really interested in that "voice" for different reasons. ...I hope so...

Yes, sorry! I meant they were baptized in holy spirit before they were baptized in water as opposed to being baptized in water first.*

The point I wanted to make is that Cornelius and his people received holy spirit before they were baptized. I think it's the only instance where someone received holy spirit before baptism instead of some time after baptism.

That last part may have been a stretch but the rest was good.

Some things to consider: We have instruction to avoid immoral people. This can motivate them to repent. 1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a...

I hope Demi is alright. It's past mid August when her pay runs out. I don't know what her insurance is doing, or if she is collecting any income at all. Catch us up.

And they don't. They might be familiar with some of the famous Bible stories but they don't really understand why they matter or how they affect our lives or anything like that.

I was just saying we seem to be building an understanding of things, even if it's nothing spectacular. It's a good discussion. Keep up the good work all!

Ok I'll just post part of my comment so it doesn't sound so so crazy. Keep in mind I'm probably not all that serious about it either. Let's say by some crazy chance that is God. Then, how can that be??????? THERE'S A LOOPHOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1 Corinthians 7:10 To the married I give this...

Yes. Our understanding is opening up here. It's like knowledge we already have, but we don't have the wisdom to think of it in a way that gives us understanding. Now we do.

.....But we are not able to be perfectly obedient to Christ, so as long as we have faith that what we're not able to do is what we should be doing, then we just need to do our best. Something like that? Idk

The natural man is an unbeliever that doesn't want to believe, doesn't want to learn, doesn't want to grow, doesn't want to mortify the deeds of the body so that the spirit can grow. does not welcome the spirit, does not accept it, does not receive it. A person might understand what the Gospel...

These are things I'm still wondering on. I though it was something like...obedience is required, but it's not the obedience that saves you. It's God that saves you because you had faith in Christ to the point of being obedient to Christ.

There may be a revelation here to find if we're smart enough and God wills.

1 Cor 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. Interesting.....just as a seed is sown in the ground and it has to die in order to produce a plant, our bodies are buried (sown) when they die and they are raised up a...