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    was Jesus turning the other cheek when He made a whip, and kicked over the money changers tables?

    If we are the new temple of God then are we not introducing all the sins mentioned and more when e sin? If Hell is our unchecked destination then would it not be prudent to kick over a few tables or break out the whip to try and 'turn' those who are headed into God's wrath?
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    So then if thinking you are saved when you are not is possible, then it is possible to find out on the day of your judgement that you where never saved despite believing in all of the verses you posted; (John 6, Eph 2 etc, etc?) Then like wise is it possible to find out you are saved on the day...
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    Yes!!! The Pharisees thought they where in the will of God but clearly where not. So if it is possible for the pharisees to think they where doing God's will by strictly following the law, is it not also possible to strictly follow the gospel, and like the pharisees miss the whole point if the...
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    was Jesus turning the other cheek when He made a whip, and kicked over the money changers tables?

    So we have an example of Jesus Cleaning out the physical temple, and Paul clearing out the church... so there is a correlation between kicking over money tables and running people out of the temple and kicking people out of the church/WWJD.
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    Did you forget that I've never locked the verdict into "judgement day" That is a point you have assigned to my argument from the beginning, and I have corrected this assertion multiple times. I hold that Christ decides, and I have said Christ could have made the determination of where you are...
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    was Jesus turning the other cheek when He made a whip, and kicked over the money changers tables?

    Didn't Paul "clean house" so to speak in 1 cor 5 when condemning the Corinthian church for condoning sexual immorality among the members of the church? Did He not command that they (the rest of the church) that they Cast out the immoral brothers from among them?
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    was Jesus turning the other cheek when He made a whip, and kicked over the money changers tables?

    WWJD if instead of money changers, the priests where running the temple with porn, sex, drugs, food etc? Do you think his reaction would be more severe or less severe than his reaction with the money changers?
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    The word Judgement literally means to judge or decide. judgment noun (also judgement) /ˈdʒʌdʒ.mənt/ uk /ˈdʒʌdʒ.mənt/ judgment Add to word list C2 [ U ] the ability to form valuable opinions and make good decisions: ~Cambridge dictionary Does everyone receive this 'public confirmation...
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    yes No. Jesus = salvation Only Jesus can decide who is saved and who is not. "No man comes to the Father but by Jesus." This passage means Jesus decides who comes to God/Who is saved, and who is not. Salvation is revealed at Judgement yes. As paul points out and John point out in your fav...
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    And you are avoiding my answer. Do the men who come to Jesus in mat 7 who will call Him "Lord, Lord?" do they believe that Jesus is Lord? If you say Yes, they did believe, then your interpretation os John 6 is wrong. Because they believe and are not saved. If they did not believe Jesus was...
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    10 In the city of Caesarea there was a man named Cornelius, a Roman army officer in what was called the Italian Unit. 2 He was a religious man. He and all the others who lived in his house were worshipers of the true God. He gave much of his money to help the poor people and always prayed...
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    I have no idea what you are talking about. perhaps you should adopt the line by line quote and answer method I am using here. Again, Jesus was asked point blank what we must do to enter Heaven and said Love God with all of your ability to do so and your neighbor as yourself. ...yet somehow to...
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    Kinda already disproved your interpretation of this passage with the men in mat 7 who cry out Lord' Lord. Clearly these men in mat 7 believed that they believed n Jesus as our Lord, which is why they cried out to Him "Lord,Lord" (To repeat a word in that culture was to emphatically express...
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    no such promise can be made to the thief if Jesus did not judge him as being worthy. This would be an example of a formal a judication in the courts of man. What makes you assume that such a theatrical process is needed when every Christ makes a judgment? Christ spent a whole chapter...
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    I'm getting ready to go home for the day and will be back tomorrow.
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    common bro, I know romans 13:11 is a problem for you, but you are denying what the passage says. let's look at it plainly: 11 And do this, understanding the present time: The hour has already come for you to wake up from your slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we first...
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    I did not say salvation only happens on judgment day. I said salvation happen when Christ judges us. For most our salvation is revealed to us on judgement day.
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    You are incorrect here. Eph 2 is referring to the mechanism of salvation not point in time when one is saved. Meaning the mechanism that provides for salvation is grace. In contrast to the old covenant where works was the mechanism that was looked at to determine reward status. irrelevant as...
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    you get all of this works for my side of the argument as well right? Love is the evidence of salvation. Love is the fruit of the Spirit. Love full fills the law etc etc.. I don't think you understand that I am not saying salvation is impossible. I'm saying it is impossible without love. Without...
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    Nope. I argue that salvation happens when Every Christ decides. That decision is made known to us on the day we are judged. So how do you know you are not one of those lost souls in mat 7 who thinks they have been saved but Christ will say "I never knew you?" Have you met the love requirement...