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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    This is only 1/2 of what I am communicating. The other 1/2 points to these men that Jesus never knew as being 100% Christian in their own minds. They did everything they knew to do EXCEPT the will of the Father. Which is summed up in luke 10's love command. Indeed. Take another look at how they...
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    That's because it is impossible to obtain salvation with out an all encompassing love For God and a love for your neighbor equal to the love you have for yourself. Again, Not one person has entered or is promised to enter the kingdom who Does not love God and Love His neighbor as described...
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    Please stop using verse fragments and implying meaning that the complete verse does not imply. John 6 is an invalid citation as it does not communicate any sort of time line as to when eternal life is given. The verse only communicates that those who have eternal life all believe. Again a full...
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    No. Mat 7 is an example of a judgement day judgment "On that day many will say to Him Lord, Lord." The thief on the cross or the woman caught in adultery, or the pharisees blaspheming the Holy Spirit is an example of a judgment that can happen outside of the end of the age/ judgement day. I...
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    was Jesus turning the other cheek when He made a whip, and kicked over the money changers tables?

    Are we not to walk in the foot steps of Jesus? WWJD?
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    As I said, you are hung up on the term judgement day. My focus is not on this day, but on taking power from the church and our 'beliefs' and putting the decision back into the nail scared hands of Christ. In that Christ decides if and when we are saved, not our actions. Your belief, your...
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    It's literally both. He kinda did: Mat 12: 36 But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken. 37 For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.” Verse 37 is a judgment, as he...
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    If you thought you where saved but found out you where not on the day of judgement, then it would infact be about the timing of one's salvation, as Jesus points out that MANY will come to Him assuming that they where saved, but will find out that they are not. Clearly these men in mat 7...
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    I thank you for the time you spent. Actually no. I specifically say "day of your judgement," not "judgement day." there is a difference. As Judgement day points to a future court date some where between the apocalypse and the 1000 year reign of Christ.. The day of your judgement can happen at...
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    was Jesus turning the other cheek when He made a whip, and kicked over the money changers tables?

    I try Actually the passage tells us why Jesus was mad. It was because the money changers and the people who where selling the animals where severely over charging for them. Not because they where being sold. Remember they where all there at the time of the passover, where the law of moses...
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    was Jesus turning the other cheek when He made a whip, and kicked over the money changers tables?

    Again I undrstand why Jesus did what He did. I am all for it. I am asking that if you take no personal offense but are over taken by zeal for God and His church, I am asking can you do the same thing? So say your church is having a yard sale that all of the members of the church have an...
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    was Jesus turning the other cheek when He made a whip, and kicked over the money changers tables?

    So doe righteousness include physically 'smiting' someone and kicking their stuff over and stomping it, If one is doing this on God's behalf? So if your church is having a yard sale that all of the members of the church have an opportunity to bring in their stuff set up a booth and sell it.. If...
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    was Jesus turning the other cheek when He made a whip, and kicked over the money changers tables?

    You do not have to have a gift to treat people the way you want to be treated. now you know
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    was Jesus turning the other cheek when He made a whip, and kicked over the money changers tables?

    Luke 6: 27 “But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. 29 If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your...
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    was Jesus turning the other cheek when He made a whip, and kicked over the money changers tables?

    Then, you'd be surprised to know that most young people who grew up in the church only to become one of the 70% who loose their faith in college can reconcile the multiple wives and even slavery bit that you would have trouble with. as most have the wherewithal to be able to draw a line between...
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    was Jesus turning the other cheek when He made a whip, and kicked over the money changers tables?

    Yes. but again there is no issue because He is sovereign and we are not. meaning we have rules apart from the law to follow That He does not. Jesus was tied to the law not the rule made by man. A perfect example of this is the command to keep the sabbath holy. For the makers of the law/makers...
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    was Jesus turning the other cheek when He made a whip, and kicked over the money changers tables?

    Are you one the fence with your faith? Are you just starting out in your spiritual walk as our children are when they go off to school? Whipping people can be seen as rendering evil with evil by many who do not understand what a sovereign God is, and our place in this world. what is the point...
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    was Jesus turning the other cheek when He made a whip, and kicked over the money changers tables?

    Are you not familiar with the logical fallacy of argumentum ad populum (appeal to the people) is a logical error claiming that something is true or good simply because many people believe or do it. It relies on emotion and social pressure rather than facts. That said there are several who have...
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    was Jesus turning the other cheek when He made a whip, and kicked over the money changers tables?

    I'm saying the passage does not mention any animals in the court yard other than doves and people. The underline portion that you underlined also says this. And He found in the temple those who sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the money changers doing business. So what was driven out of the...
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    was Jesus turning the other cheek when He made a whip, and kicked over the money changers tables?

    wow.. This attitude is exactly what I spoke of earlier. It the whole arrogant holier than thou, if you do not believe in 'my' version of Jesus you can not be a christian. This attitude that many of us have is exactly what is Now driving our children out of our churches in droves.