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    was Jesus turning the other cheek when He made a whip, and kicked over the money changers tables?

    It's simple, just not consistent with the one dimensional view we have of Jesus. Jesus is both the lion and the lamb, meaning He is the only one who has the Authority to tell us to turn the other cheek and at the same time Judge us and our actions either here now in this life or the next. Then...
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    was Jesus turning the other cheek when He made a whip, and kicked over the money changers tables?

    ok... So why bring up what happened on the cross? The court yard of the gentiles is the only part of the temple 1. large enough to host all the people vendors and animals, and 2. the only place where the 'unclean' could congregate and have their unpure money exchanged for clean money. Jewish...
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    was Jesus turning the other cheek when He made a whip, and kicked over the money changers tables?

    what does this have to do with whether or not Jesus turned the other cheek or not?
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    was Jesus turning the other cheek when He made a whip, and kicked over the money changers tables?

    I ask in the op, is what Jesus did consistent with the turn the other cheek message given in the sermon on the mount?
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    was Jesus turning the other cheek when He made a whip, and kicked over the money changers tables?

    So do I indeed. If one was to criticize this act I would agree. However if one is asking a question in light of 1 thess 5:21, then providing an answer to this question is something we as followers of Christ are tasked to do.
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    was Jesus turning the other cheek when He made a whip, and kicked over the money changers tables?

    I know. This is why His actions here are confusing. as His actions aren't what one thinks of when they turn the other cheek. So what of the priests and money changers who Jesus kicked over their tables and released their sacrificial animals? Ever throw a bunch of money in the air in a crowed...
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    was Jesus turning the other cheek when He made a whip, and kicked over the money changers tables?

    I get why He did what He did and I personally have no issue with it. I'm simply asking what do you think about his actions here in relation to what was actually done. Remember while on temple grounds the money changers where in the court yard of the gentiles. Meaning because of the gentile...
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    was Jesus turning the other cheek when He made a whip, and kicked over the money changers tables?

    Maybe we have a different understanding of turning the other cheek.. To turn the other cheek is to allow someone to insult you, and not retaliate. You yourself even pointed out that what Jesus did was in retaliation to the insult of turning God's house of prayer into a den of thieves.
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    Doesn't Living Like the Devil After Being Saved Disprove Once Saved Always Saved?

    Again, I made no claim for or against this famine. I am pointing out that you misrepresented your facts concerning this famine as having come from scripture.
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    was Jesus turning the other cheek when He made a whip, and kicked over the money changers tables?

    I get why He did what He did and I personally have no issue with it. I'm simply asking what do you think about his actions here in relation to what was actually done. Remember while on temple grounds the money changers where in the court yard of the gentiles. Meaning because of the gentile...
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    Doesn't Living Like the Devil After Being Saved Disprove Once Saved Always Saved?

    Again, I made no claim for or against this famine. I am pointing out that you misrepresented your facts concerning this famine as having come from scripture. here are your words: Again, you are not citing scripture because nothing in the NT says anything about judah having experienced a...
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    Doesn't Living Like the Devil After Being Saved Disprove Once Saved Always Saved?

    Actually no. I am pointing out that the bible does not record a famine in Judah anywhere in the NT. Not true. in mat 3 Jesus was baptized, in mat 4:1 he was lead into the wilderness to fast and be tempted, and the very next thing that happens is that Jesus starts his ministry, he calls his...
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    Doesn't Living Like the Devil After Being Saved Disprove Once Saved Always Saved?

    So? Again, so? Where in the book of acts? Also what does any of this matter? How does this time line biz tie to your original point that Tiberius was not a tyrant, and his tyranical acts where all made up by christian historians? I think you have bought into your own red herring, and have...
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    Matthew 11:28-29 Thoughts?

    Who said anything about salvation? The work I am talking about clearly goes on through out the rest of eternity. which is different that what I said?
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    Doesn't Living Like the Devil After Being Saved Disprove Once Saved Always Saved?

    Then i guess you just so happen to overlook/dismiss what you did want to hear from the book of acts. ..And I was right.. Not true.. Or you would be able to produce a citation that supports your assertion. The best you seem to be able to ever muster is a commentary from some other athesitic...
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    Matthew 11:28-29 Thoughts?

    So? Yoke = harness that enables us to share the work. It prevents from one person working harder than another. Burden = responsibility, task, work load. This passage is telling us we will have jobs, and community/others to help us to complete these tasks.
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    Matthew 11:28-29 Thoughts?

    We are born slaves to sin and satan, who through Christ has been given the ability to choose our master. We can remain in service to sin and satan. or we can choose to turn from our old master and serve Christ as our new Lord. this passage in mat 11 is our potential New master telling us that...
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    Doesn't Living Like the Devil After Being Saved Disprove Once Saved Always Saved?

    Irrelevant. there is a first century biography by first and second century historians concerning the exploits of Tiberius: Jul 24, 2026Numerous ancient writers describe the regnal years of Tiberius, including Roman sources(Tacitus, Suetonius, Cassius Dio), Jewish sources (Josephus & Philo), and...
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    Doesn't Living Like the Devil After Being Saved Disprove Once Saved Always Saved?

    out side of acts 12 :2 (Beheading of James) and Jesus' foretelling of Peter's martyrdom I can provide secular historical accounts. Overview of key historical sources SourceDateTypeWhy It Matters Tacitusc. 116 ADRoman consul and historianMentions Jesus' execution and Nero's persecution of...
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    Doesn't Living Like the Devil After Being Saved Disprove Once Saved Always Saved?

    Are you not familiar with 2 cor 24: I have worked much harder,been in prison more frequently, been flogged more severely, and been exposed to death again and again. 24 Five times I received from the Jews the forty lashes minus one. 25 Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was...