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  1. biblestudent78

    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    I might make the observation that the Jews did not come under the Law of Moses until approximately 250 BC. Prior to that, there is not only no evidence that the Jewish people and their Jewish culture had any knowledge much less practice of the Jewish law. They are non-kosher, they regularly...
  2. biblestudent78

    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    OMC Perhaps the saddest thing we can say is that all Christians will never come to the same theological conclusions, we care more about that intellectual warfare than living and walking with Jesus in His sacrificial loving manner which comes so naturally to the redeemed.
  3. biblestudent78

    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    OMC Well said, as usual and factual. However, sometimes in our scripture diving we lose sight of the Big Picture. Jesus acted in sacrificial love of the lost enough to give up his life in agonizing suffering as a human. His life is all the "theology" needed. "By this shall all men know you are...
  4. biblestudent78

    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    Lamar: Miracles are in the eye of the beholder. If you are looking for a miracle you are likely to find one or more. There are lots of people out there who will promise you a miracle, given you can afford it. When Jesus was baptised by John some heard God say, "This is my beloved Son in whom I...
  5. biblestudent78

    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    GWH: AKA, the Golden Rule????? If sacrificial loving as in modeling Jesus then the "Golden Rule" defunct. You must love those who oppose you. Those that demean you. Those who slap you on the face. Those that want you to be an intellectual lamb for theological slaughter, you must offer yourself...
  6. biblestudent78

    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    Inquisitor: An interesting perspective - "In the New Testament we are more focused on the Church than the world." That may be the reality on the ground but is it the reality required by Christ Jesus? Let's remember leaving the 99 safe sheep to find the lost one. Lets remember the return of the...
  7. biblestudent78

    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    IMHO, your expression of spiritual reality is much improved in this piece. I really like it. One reason I like it is that it contains the seeds for the reunification of all believers. Few quibble about what the spirit filled life God has through Jesus called us to. The problem is always the...
  8. biblestudent78

    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    OMC: My response was to your use of the word "alignment." The list you provided, while coherent, is not an alignment with anything but your narrative. I can better understand attempting to align with a narrative, which you provided, than with the scriptures as suggested because they are...
  9. biblestudent78

    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    Alignment is an interesting concept. Even alignment-adjacent is challenging. It assumes there is a coherent, consistent and navigable framework for that alignment stretching from 800 BC Canaan to 100 AD Rome. That unique alignment must align stories, wars, history, songs, poems, allegories and...
  10. biblestudent78

    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    OMC: It would be incorrect to minimize the emotional component of both Catholic and Orthodox services and liturgies. For many these are very emotional experiences that often presents as "reverence" with the Catholics feeling they are connecting to the "original" Church and appreciating a long...
  11. biblestudent78

    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    OMC: I have attended a "Holy Spirit" Church service. I have experienced "Speaking in Tongues" but I did not see any attempt to by anyone to "interpret" those tongues. They arose after extensive singing and preaching. Once the first person started then speaking in tongues spread through the...
  12. biblestudent78

    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    All these eternal arguments illustrate one deeply sad reality. We only want to relate to God in accordance with our theology. We are satisfied only when we can conceptualize a God who validates our personal preconceptions ancient theologies. We define "truth" as a precast scripted collections...
  13. biblestudent78

    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    Did you miss the point on purpose? The history of Christianity is one of ever evolving interpretation fueled division and "my way or the highway" on virtually every issue which you claim to be self evident. History is history. It is accessible in vast libraries in text and in data. No A.I...
  14. biblestudent78

    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    CS1: Better sit down. I did not use any A.I. in my research. I used by usual scholarship sources. Your attempt to impune my argument by inventing a fake source demonstrates that your "I am an expert" on all thing biblical is suspect.
  15. biblestudent78

    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    3. The Waldensians. Now, let's encounter a movement that actually got burned for heresy. The Waldensians. In 1173, a wealthy merchant from Lion named Peter Waldo experienced a spiritual crisis. According to the chronicle, he witnessed someone dying suddenly at a feast and was seized with the...
  16. biblestudent78

    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    I is not my job to "validate their claims." Obviously, they conflict with my Christian experience and massively struggle to find purchase in the New Testament. More importantly, there have been 7 major attempts to "restore New Testament Christianity." Or at least find some validity for the...
  17. biblestudent78

    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    OMC Just on the basis of good communication, it is helpful if you state your objectives for introducing data.
  18. biblestudent78

    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    My apologies. It had been my impression that we both aspire to a coherent perspective of hermeneutics. We seek insight into the scriptural narrative and external processes of evaluation, meaning, insight and history.
  19. biblestudent78

    Is cessation an observation or theology?

    OMC Let's look at the credentials of those who validate your perspectives: Gordon D. Fee (1934–2022) was a famous New Testament scholar, Pentecostal theologian, and professor who wrote widely read books on biblical interpretation from a Pentecostal perspective. Craig Keener is widely...