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Your reasoning is something like 'gifts have ceased because gifts have ceased' and 'we know testimonies of gifts don't aren't genuine because there is no evidence of gifts happening.' It's kind of like David Hume's argument that miracles don't happen because they aren't part of human...

If God's grace (charis) is working through someone to heal, how is that not a gift (charisma), a manifestation of one of the gifts (charismata) of the Spirit?

Jesus did miracles. Paul did miracles. That didn't make them immature. If a church is winning people to Christ there will be immature believers. Paul wrote in I Corinthians 1"7 'So that ye come behind in no spiritual gift, waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. The idea that...

Your posts aren't even rational. You dismiss evidence of ongoing supernatural miracles, then say there is no physical evidence of physical manifestations. You do realize, don't you, that testimony of witnesses are evidence according to scripture? You are irrationally skeptical. Your posts...

The irony.

@JimiSurvivor Seems like this man wants to stick to his guns, no matter how unreasonable his position is shown to be. Enemies of the cross of Christ..... but saved.... for being too emotional or whatever he has in mind. Keep at it and he might call you stupid and block you. If he blocks you...

You are the one making the assertion and I'm expressing doubt of your assertion so you can provide the evidence. You can just count the name all the religions in the world and list the ones that have speaking in tongues and present evidence. And speaking in tongues in these other religions...

Very strange since you are citing a source stating what I have been trying to tell you, yet sticking to your guns... Claiming to speak for God while arguing for cessationism... Accusing millions of Christians of worshipping another God based on eisegesis and fuzzy reasoning. Not accepting...

I am pretty sure that is false, even if you have a broad definition of 'tongues' that has little or nothing to do with what they are in scripture.

Longing and yearning in the bowels, not a reference to bowels without some context to indicate emotion here. Again, bowels, not koilia, or belly, and there is context here to show this is referring to emotions. he longed... in the bowels. Josephs bowels yearned. 'Not Judas bowels gushed...

For a cessationist, you are rather bold with statements that are akin to false prophecy. Don't pretend to speak for God out of carnality and your own mind. The irony is how badly you are reacting to correction. You sure seem to hate it. You have to be correct to correct someone and you...

For those interested in commentary on 'whose God is their belly', I'll add another commentary (in English) from Greek writers and several Latin ones. Origen — Commentary on Matthew, Book 11 “For just as the belly, though it is not the god of those who prize pleasure too highly, being lovers of...

There are web pages you can go to with historical quotes that list various references to spiritual gifts throughout history, including speaking in tongues. If you are really interested, you could read a book like 'The Spirit and the Church. Volume I: Antiquity' by Burgess, or the two volumes...

Preachers using a verse while preaching on tongues and a verse actually _alluding_ to speaking in tongues is two different things. James goes on to talk about not cursing one's brother with the same mouth one blesses God with... so no reference to speaking in tongues. I was raised in...

I Corinthians 14 22 Therefore tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophesying is not for unbelievers but for those who believe. (NKJV)

So you must have run out of material if you have taken to describing what you do instead of doing it.

And he doesn't say you have to speak in tongues to be saved, or aren't saved if you don't speak in tongues. Doesn't it bother you that 'how to get saved' really doesn't show up, in your interpretation, anywhere but Acts? Like the doctrine in Romans doesn't really tell how to get saved. And...

I'm sorry, but this comes off as a really dumb post considering the subject matter. Because you object to all these movements, that's supposed to go back in time somehow and make 'whose god is their bellies' refer to something have to do with being led by emotion? And what does that really...

The Bible does not teach that 'the moment you're saved' that you speak in tongues. That is bizarre doctrine. He also asks, 'not all speak in tongues, do they?' And he said to pray to be able to ____interpret tongues.__ Where does he say to pray to be able to speak in tongues?

In Acts 19, prophesying also occurred. It is isn't clear that every individual of the 12 spoke in tongues in that passage. Peter quoted Joel about prophesying in Acts 2.