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Yes, Zechariah 12 is a prediction of a literal war and we see it starting to shape currently on the earth. I'm not retrofitting anything. I can see when armies are starting to gather against Jerusalem and I can see the hostility that all of the nations at the U.N. are using against it too...

You can't use the New Testament to throw away the Old Testament. They work together to complete ALL prophecy, both literal and spiritual. The Abrahamic & Davidic Covenants will both be fulfilled literally before the permanent state of Heaven is realized.

Once again, Zechariah 12 is a literal prophecy that will be fulfilled in the future. Jesus will destroy all the nations that have ever come up against Jerusalem. You and I both know that the Islamic nations are trying to do just that. Maybe if you did a little research on Islamic terrorism...

No, the Bible shows you (when you read the Old Testament books, the ones Jesus said He would fulfill in Luke 24:44) that there is absolutely both a literal and spiritual fulfillment of the Covenants.

Those verses I used in Luke were backed up by the verses I showed you in Zechariah 12. When you see armies surrounding Israel, be watching because that's when Jesus chooses to return for battle to save the land from the rest of the world, specifically the Islamic nations.

No, you need to revisit the covenants again. The Four Covenants with Israel Abrahamic Covenant: An unconditional covenant where God promised Abraham descendants, land (Canaan), and that all nations would be blessed through his lineage (Genesis 12, 15, 17). Mosaic Covenant: A conditional...

You're missing the "prophetic telescoping" being used in Luke 21. While the original war happened in 70 AD, a much larger war is coming and verse 22 shows you that it is for a purpose of "vengeance" to complete what has been written. The "vengeance" that God/Jesus takes out against those who...

Luke 21:20-22 20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto...

Thanks for helping out! Now let's hear your view on the Millennial Kingdom period. Do you believe it exists? Do you believe it happens after Jesus' return or before? Do you have scripture to back up your view?

I did get the message. I apologized. Now you want to harp on it and derail the discussion. Why do you feel the need to do that? You're only leading me to believe that you have no idea what we're talking about.

I'm seriously doubting that. Excuses are what people use who don't have anything to contribute.

I'm talking to you because you're the one who insists on bringing it up. Do you have anything else to contribute to the discussion that's worth listening to?

I'm sorry if you were offended when I became human for a moment out of frustration.

And so it was meant to be. We were all created to learn, think, experience, and perceive things differently to help fulfill the overall plan.

No, the difference between you and I and the reason it circles is because you're not defending ALL of the scriptures. You're only trying to defend one Apostle's version of it. One that was geared toward preaching to the Gentiles and not the Jews.

Ditto. Your whole objection here is just to try and duct-tape YOUR version of prophecy. Not every Jew's blindness will lift until the fountain is opened up in the house of David like Zechariah 13:1 says. It happens when Jesus returns to cut off the idols, sin, and uncleanliness from the house...

I agree with most of that. I guess at this point the only differences we have is whether the dead Israel is restored during the Millennial period or afterwards.

Funny how you're still leaving out an explanation for the meaning of the "fullness of the Gentiles coming in". The grafting back in doesn't happen until their blindness and hardening is lifted. The reason the Jews are blinded is because God/Jesus needs them to be in order to fulfill the entire...

The "remnant" in Romans 11:5 is referring to the people mentioned immediately before it! Let's read it together. Romans 11:4-5 4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. 5 Even so then at this...

LOL! The blindness doesn't lift until God/Jesus lifts it at His return, which is why they all mourn when He returns. You need to reconsider what the "fullness of the Gentiles" means. It's not a description for ingathering when the Gentiles are the only ones mentioned. Here's how the Bible...