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its proof to me that John was correct in his epistle 1 john 2: 18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if...

If I can not sin.. that means I am doing good works to know to do good and not do it. it is called sin. James 4:17 Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin. so if I am not practicing righteousness, Because I am not doing good.. then I have not been saved...

I agree 100 % one will not have active faith opr any faith at all unless they repent Obedience is not required. it is a byproduct. sayin git is required puts the onos of salvation on yourself. Not God. The fact you are replacing faith and grace with works. is all anyone needs to know I...

but this means they never had it. not that they lost it

1 John 3: 4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him. 7 Little children, let no one...

Your now twisting my words. I interpreted what you said, as a gospel of works. You created a false dichotamy that I hate Gods commands. I actually love them.. when I obey I am blessed, when I fall I am punished and chastened.. A child of God can not live in sin.. so to even say one is saved...

No I agree with what Christ said, He did not contradict what he said in the earlier passages? john 1: 12. but as many as have received him, to them he gave the right to become children, even to them who believe john 3, for god so loved the world he gave his only son that whoever believes in...

That passage is about producing fruit. Not being saved. If you want to produce fruit, you must abide in the vine, If you do not you will not produce fruit we are not saved because we produce fruit. God said I have eternal life.. I will never perish If I can still persih, then God lied that...

we love because he first loved us

then we are saved by works my friend. we must earn our salvation. it is not a gift. Yes.. And if you want to have life you have to keep them as required. the law required perfection. that is what Jesus tried to get the person he said that to to acknowledge, that he has failed. You are not...

if they can, they must earn it. this is the gospel of works.

lets put it on the table if I am saved. can I lose that salvation?

lol. whatever.. Nol. I am trying to explain to you what you are actually saying in hopes you will see it and repent. You believe obedience is required to be saved correct? Please show me I am wrong. and I will repent. otherwise. it is you who are falsly accusing me. I love it when people...

Yes it got trimmed But remember, It could not attach itself to the vine, it can not remove itself from the vine. If it wants to produce fruit. God will trim it, Prune it, or even lift it up so it produces fruit. God created us into a new creature. Sin is no longer our natural state. it is...

correct. You have a salvation of works. You believe obedience to some commands are required.. that puts you under law not under grace. And your wrong. on all accounts. I am saved by grace. before I obey one command. and that salvation is eternal. it is not a question of if I will obey, It is...

Again. We do not get to define what a word is. God does. Just because you have a seperate defenition for works does not mean you are right. I go with what the word says Your defenition of works vs obedience is in error Its going circular because you are unable to see what we are saying, and...

God is not an author of confusion. Eternal life is a gift. it is not earned. those who consistenly do good are Gods children. Those who follow evil are those who havew never met christ. this is not a prescriptive verse. it is a descriptive verse. Then you have never been saved, because you...

But God does not need proof. When you claim it is required. you are walking a tight rope of trusting in self. and not in God. One who has true saving faith will work. because they were created as a new creature. in christ. their old nature was crucified with Christ. As John said in his first...

Actually it does say we are saved first. and then do works. eph 2 8 - 20 is a perfect axample

Amen 100 % But no one that I know of teaches works alone saves anyone. Nor have I ever heard anyone in any chatroom in over ten years accuse someone of preaching we are saved by works alone, the only people who get accused of teaching alone, is people getting accused of saying we are saved by...