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If you think this. you have not been paying attention.. While they may not believe works are the only thing that saves us. far to many people say works are required

I am not talking about being blessed I am talking about being right with God so we enter heaven, and are not cast down to hell.. if we do not have this set in stone.. then being blessed does nto matter does it help if I am blessed for 50 years. but spend eternity in hell?

Your wrong actually If you from birth could keep the law perfectly. you would never have sinned, having never sinned, you would not need saved. since Christ is the only one who kept the law from Birth. he is the only one who has fulfilled Gods righteous standard. its why he died on the cross...

this is in error We are saved by grace only when we recieve it in faith. we are not saved first. then required to have faith..

The word says we are saved by Grace through faith. not of ourselves. not of works. lest we boast. We are not saved by faith alone. We are saved by grace by recieving it in faith (we trust the promises of God and are confident God is abloe to carry out what he promised) Grace is offered to all...

The issue is no one says we are saved by faith alone except those who accusing others of preaching it. I did this example in another chatroom. It may fit here as well. so here is a real world example to show the difference between our accusations. Belief systems using bread as an example...

better yet, How can a God who is outside of time, who has already seen all of history happen (including our future) not know in this omniscience everything the person would do. including if he would have faith and trust him or not?

Yes. Your trying to defend your works based theology. the point is do not use a strawman to defend your position. Don't accuse someone else of doing something, you are doing yourself..

again, I had that experience 50 years ago, when I fell on my face and cried out to God.. Have you had this experience? or are you still trying to get it by "submitting to God of your own power?"

I trusted God fully 50 years ago my friend. And have been ever sense. Yes. Your not trusting the God who can rescue you.. The gospel states you are a sinner. lost. and enemy of God. and you can not save yourself. He must save you. that is the purpose of the cross. If your trying to save...

Actually Jesus did say it.. Matthew 5:48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect. As did Moses. Deuteronomy 27:26 ‘Cursed is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law by observing them.’ “And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ ” as confirmed by...

You would be better looking at more than just vines. You would be better finding scriptural examples. Romans 4 is the greatest example. especially since Paul says we are saved by that type of faith

Sorry brother when you say YOU MUST SURRENDER AND YOU MUST KEEP SURRENDERING That is trust in self not God. You can deny it all you want.. I am used to it.. No one who trust in self actually admits it. But all the same..

Yes.. THROUGH FAITH Not by faith. No. It is not a surrender to hinm. You can not surrender to someone you can not know.. The tax collector did nto surrender. He surrendered to the fact he was lost. and needed saved. thats about all.. lol.. You are showing possibly how we are sanctified. Not...

Did you call out and recieve his salvation? that is what saves you. Not you surrenduring to him.. You will never meet his expectations in this lifetime. hence you require his grace. or you will suffer his wrath For it is by grace I have been saved. God does not force us to take his salvation...

Amen God changes us, we are no longer dogs, eating our vomit. we are sheep being led by the shepperd (christ)

Um news flash. If you want to get to God by your onedience. you better be perfect. Not even abraham was perfect. But Christs righteousness was imputed to him (romans 4) You better be perfect. Be ye perfect as your father in heaven is perfect. If you want to be under law. Your in serious...

I think they are taught this by Satan, it is human wisdom that we must earn our salvation.. It is against our nature to say it must be given to us because we can not deserve it. That hurts our pride.. and why so many fail to see it.

Your missing part of the equation. Faith is not just surrendering to him. It is a trust in his promise. It is a trust in his gospel. Abraham is the father of faith and shows us what it is. Romans 4: 16 Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be...

You have a major problem to begin with. We are not saved by Faith. We are saved by grace. This grace is only Applied the moment we in faith call out. Your issue is your trying to defend a certain theology. Your question is flawered based onb that fact