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right ... and the second wasn't spoken just after Esau died ... it was spoken after many descendants of Esau had lived and died as well. right. right ... not only can he not "predetermine what we do", he is subject to the Lord Jesus Christ Who lives inside each and every born again believer...

OT writings are a treasure trove. The Lord Jesus Christ referred to OT writings ... the book of Acts ... Paul's writings ... the book of Hebrews ... Revelation ... all refer to OT writings. Sometimes, if I'm reading in the NT and there is a reference to an OT writing, I'll go back and read the...

fyi ... showing you what God said about Esau before Esau was born does not equal "skipping over verse 13 and pretending it's not there". God tells you two times what He said before Esau was born: Genesis 25:23 and Romans 9:11-12 the one who is "pretending" verse 13 occurred before Esau was...

well, we know satan tried to be like the most High so he must have thought it possible. At this point, he knows it is impossible to overthrow God ... so he goes after that which God holds dear. satan hates mankind ... especially those who love God. I do not believe we have it in us to...

maybe not you ... but I think some have tried ... I don't know. It's interesting to consider whether the hedge around Job extended to his children, his servants, his herds. I mean, were all the people Job cared about blessed by God because Job was perfect, upright, feared God, and eschewed...

I understand what you are saying. However, that does not change the fact that God never said He hated Esau before Esau was born. Romans 9:10-12 10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; 11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having...

keep reading the next couple of verses ... Jeremiah 17:5-8 5 Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD. 6 For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit...

reneweddaybyday said: It appears you believe man's only response to God initiating is to resist ... is that what you believe? and I believe that natural fallen man does not always, in every circumstance, resist God each and every time He initiates. Romans 1:16-19 16 For I am not ashamed of...

still wrapping my head around this concept. I know there is no way anyone ... or any thing ... could defeat God. God is the Creator of all there is. How can the created ever overcome the Creator. Did satan actually believe he could overthrow God? .

... continued ... First of all, we know Jonah had fled from God when he did not want to do what God asked Jonah to do. In Jonah's case, I do believe it was God who caused the tempest in the sea (Jonah 1:4). Jonah also told the men on the ship that he had fled from God ... "For the men knew...

Job 42:11 indicates that Job's brothers, sisters, and acquaintances ... "they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the evil that the LORD had brought upon him" ... they believed God had brought evil upon Job. We know it was satan who wrought evil in Job's life ... the author of the book of...

If and when a person resists, they are resisting something initiated by God. Your initial comment was: Cameron143 said: Man initiates salvation by ceasing to resist? I merely pointed out that God initiates and man either resists or does not resist. It appears you believe man's only response...

Your kids would be resisting if you told them you wanted the last piece. If you did not tell them, they would be acting on their own initiative if and when they ate the last piece ... besides, I'm sure they left the dirty plate and you can lick the crumbs (i added that last part for levity)...

ok ... we can take each verse separately ... but that does not change what God said before Esau was born or what was written after Esau was long dead and gone: Romans 9:12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. where was it "said" unto Rebecca "The elder shall serve the...

reneweddaybyday said: If man is resisting Someone, then the Someone was the Initiator. If man is resisting, then man is aware of something ... whatever it is that is being resisted. Otherwise, man is just acting on their own initiative, not "resisting" anything. If a person lacks awareness...

If man is resisting Someone, then the Someone was the Initiator. .

No. I am suggesting that you need to re-think your statement: Journey_man said: Remember God hated Esau, before he was born and I showed you what God said about Esau before he was born: reneweddaybyday said: God did not say He hated Esau before Esau was born. Here is what God said about...

God did not say He hated Esau before Esau was born. Here is what God said about Esau before Esau was born: Genesis 25:23 And the LORD said unto her [Rebekah], Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the...

I believe Job, Eliphaz, Bildad, Zophar, Elihu, "all his brothers, and all his sisters, and all who had known him before" ... all of them ... believed that satan's affliction upon Job was a result of sin on the part of Job and that God was behind all the suffering inflicted upon Job. All of them...

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