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Yeah, alot of peeps don't think much about what Ray really teaches

Yeah im not a fan of reformed theology but some of MacArthurs teachings are solid.

The sealed, forgiven, saved soul of the believer does not sin. The human nature of a believer does. Look at the stats on believers who access pornography for the brutal truth.

I think i was netwattie

Mailmandan might be earlier, but I don’t think he was here before 2001!

Mathew 24 He who endures to the end will be saved has context of being saved from trials and tribulations. It is a different kind of 'saved' to eternal salvation. Christians also do get their works judged by God, but that isn't about eternal life , but temporal judgment on earth. For...

Justification: Romans 5:8, John 3:16, 3:36, 5:24, 6:40 etc etc Sanctification.. James 2, Hebrews hall of fame of faith.. etc etc.. Eternal life is given at salvation..eternal life..not temporary. The right response then..as per Romans 6 etc.. is to serve Jesus back.

I I didn't say they wont exhibit fruit from being saved. Galatians fruit shows this. And i haven't read any of martin luther

Walking after Jesus following salvation is sanctification, but it isn't justification. Justification occurs regardless of our good works, as a free gift, through the washing and regeneration of the Holy Spirit. Justification isn't sanctification..different things.

The change isn't just being spiritually minded, but believing on the Lord Jesus Christ. He then seals the believer through the Holy Spirit indwelling them. From this point they will then be corrected, taught, empowered by the Holy Spirit and have a new nature, through the Holy Spirit, but...

First year was 2001 i think. It started i think as a chat room. I had a different user name.

I thinks we goin round and round and round and round! Scooter will continue with false accusations. I think the horse is well and truly hammered! 😀

@Freed18 Abraham believed God and it was accounted to him for righteousness, before he offered up his son Isaac. Job believed in a Redeemer. David believed in a Redeemer. Jesus said ..search the scriptures (old testament) for in them think ye have eternal life.

Yeah, if Jesus forgives a person's sin at eternal salvation...which is all thru the NT, how then can sin..which is forgotten, forgiven..undo eternal salvation? The only way for that to be is if Jesus's work is not enough.

Guess David was never converted then. He was an adulterer and murderer. He had a relationship with God before this.

I can be a curious thing when some say you can lose your salvation, but balk at the discipline verses. For eg.. the Mathew 18 process of discipline. Its like 'lose your salvation or you must be completey faithful' no correction, discipline with grace..

Check the context around Luke 13:3, it's got some very particular application there.

I've never heard of OSAS believers blaming God for their own sins. Also I'm no calvinist. I don't agree with most of the TULIP. I thought you might alude to the individuals in the church regarding Revelation. The thing is..a luke warm church..so they ALL individually lose salvation? That...

You have posted what i have been trying to explain in my other thread. Being saved, the Holy Spirit will then discipline the saved person. :)