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Nope. I am saying half the church is raptured and half is left behind. Jesus uses half removed in mat 24 and 25. The foolish virgins stay. Nominal, secular, carnal pew sitters. The innumerable number is the foolish virgins

So if 10 fall through the cracks running from cave to cave, you are thinking your position is correct? 1) it says ALL take the mark...ALL NOT IN THE BOOK. 2) the innumerable number in heaven could be billions with dirty robes that CAME OUT OF THE TRIB. 2) It says power was given the AC to...

You walked up to the barn with a shotgun, fired both barrels at it, and missed from 2 ft away. Fire that baptist pastor immediately.

Sounds like your doctrine can not handle that the prodigal started off in the family. Sad that you need that rewritten. Lay aside doctrine and understand the parable. Hello, that same father in tge parable REPRESENTS the heavenly Father. Before you were saved your father was the devil. You...

Are the Jews under the OT. Answer that and you can start over in your doctrine.

It says all. All recieve the mark....not in the book.

Ahem. It says ALL TAKE THE MARK NOT IN THE BOOK. Simple fact. Now, what happens when they refuse? ??? Ahem....they die for their their faith. So you are pressed to rewrite "All", and claim you guys are not martyred. Even though we can SEE AN INNUMERABLE NUMBER IN HEAVEN THAT CAME OUT OF THE...

Huh Every man woman and child is not every man woman and child? Rev 13 says the AC is given power to overcome the saints.( the innumerable number) 7;And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations...

It says in mat 24; after the trib, Jesus sends( he does not do any gathering) He sends angels to gather in heaven. In no way is that a postrib rapture of anyone on earth. IOW angels gather saints in heaven to the white horses AFTER THE TRIB. IOW After the trib,there is an assembly of saints...

I hope all is well with you. Bring us a good report.

It says " every person on earth takes the mark" What happens to those refusing? Again, there are no Christians left to rapture during the trib. .....according to the bible.

I am only a reporter of what is there. I am Putting postribbers at a crossroad. Ignoring the crossroad , I suppose , is one-way to deal with it. Rev 14. It will not go away

Millions or maybe billions in heaven DURING THE TRIB. We KNOW they are martyred DURING THE TRIB. Rev 13 says the AC is given power to overcome the saints.( the innumerable number) 7;And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all...

Jewish firstfruits demands a jewish harvest. IOW, firstfruits of wheat would GUARANTEE MAIN HARVEST WHEAT will follow. The barley would not be the main harvest of the wheat firstfruits. The wheat would not be main harvest of grapes firstfruits. The church is the grain harvest. The Jews are...

You are pointing to their "sealing". They are sealed against the sting of the flying scorpions. It is not until months or years later they are gathered to heaven in Rev 14. So there is no blending of those verses you are trying to make. BTW that innumerable number is the 5 foolish virgins left...

The Bible states where the 144,000 come from, what they are, and who they are. In no way are they firstfruitscof tge Church. But they PRECEDE A GATHERING, and that gathering has to be jewish.

You just relented there are 2 separate gatherings.

Jesus is the firstfruits of the church. Not 144,000 jewish men.

Just saying it is not enough. You need to show why there is a harvest by Jesus that has men as firstfruits,( and not Jesus), but it does not mean anything.

Did you read what i said? Jesus is the firstfruits of the church. Not 144k jewish men. In no way is it possible.