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  1. fredoheaven

    My KJV Debate with Jeffrey Dollar

    I just don't know if you really made an in-depth study as in the case of John 14:2 over the word "mansion" in the Kjb which you you seem to be an extremely bad translation. Have you even wondered, that even the word "terrible" can be used to mean an awe inspiring? Well, ca you give your...
  2. fredoheaven

    Understanding God’s election

    Hereunder is Rufus insistence to consider. I quote: "You might want to meditate on 2Thes 2:13 some day. You'll discover that all believers were chosen to be saved through Sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth! In this precise order! See also 1Pet 1:2. Same logical order occurs in...
  3. fredoheaven

    My KJV Debate with Jeffrey Dollar

    The KJB used in 1 Peter 1:23 the English word " incorruptible" as opposed to " uncorruptible" which is not liable to rot or decay. While it is true, used 1 time of the word with the prefix un, the context shows this is in reference to the word of God. The metaphor is spritual and not material...
  4. fredoheaven

    My KJV Debate with Jeffrey Dollar

    Hi if I may, this what I believe in the text of 1 Peter 1:23, that being born again is the work of the Holy Spirit using the word of God which according to Peter lives and abides for ever. That is meant when the scripture used the word "by" being an instrument or means and best described to be...
  5. fredoheaven

    Understanding God’s election

    Yes, they play out of context.
  6. fredoheaven

    Understanding God’s election

    Here's the gospel that needs to be received. Understanding the spiritual nature of this is the need to receive it or believe it according to the scriptures. Believing the gospel saves, rejecting it condemns. 1 Cor. 15 15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto...
  7. fredoheaven

    Understanding God’s election

    Paul also uses many comparisons of spiritual things to earthly things, perhaps, he cannot comprehend the spiritual nature of parables. 1cor2 1 Cor. 3 3 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. 2 I have fed you with milk, and...
  8. fredoheaven

    Understanding God’s election

    I don't think he understands the spiritual nature of that. 1cor2
  9. fredoheaven

    Understanding God’s election

    Umm, the gift of salvation has been provided by the kindness of God through our Saviour Lord Jesus Christ Eph. 2:7 that's " by grace" and when it is received that's "through faith". Some one had already posted here that a gift is still gift either received or rejected. I just think, you are...
  10. fredoheaven

    Understanding God’s election

    You are correct if the Bible says: For grace and faith are ye saved; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God. Ignoring, avoiding or disregarding the words " by and through" gets one nowhere.
  11. fredoheaven

    Understanding God’s election

    Again you jump into another text while you have not yet disprove the historical context in John 6. The play is just the same. Well, i may somehow comment on this later. Thanks
  12. fredoheaven

    Understanding God’s election

    The gift of God is salvation as per Paul, the " by and through" grace and faith are instrumentality in possessing salvation since that is actually the subject of Paul's letter. In so saying the responsive nature so that people get saved is " by grace...through faith.
  13. fredoheaven

    Understanding God’s election

    Yep, if you disregard the historical context.
  14. fredoheaven

    Understanding God’s election

    "ye" describes the people' faith relative to the subject faith is concerned in Eph. 2:8. How they are saved, yes is through faith. You said " the faith to the gift" implies the faith of men to God's gift of salvation. "For by grace are ye saved..." speaks how people get saved not that it...
  15. fredoheaven

    Understanding God’s election

    Yet still this did not disproved the nearest antecedent which "ye" offers as reference to men's faith and not to represent Christ faith as per Eph. 2:8. Thanks
  16. fredoheaven

    Understanding God’s election

    I woud suggest you need to consider the background of the context in John 6:29, the work of God is to provide meat which endures unto everlasting life and not as people to labour for their own meat. This mear is provided by Christ himself, hence our response is to believe on hm whom the Father...
  17. fredoheaven

    Understanding God’s election

    No you said but tge fact is the phrase " through faith" is consistently, manisfested as mens faith as in Ephesians 1:15 says "Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus...". Again the nearest antecedent is The word "ye" in reference to mens faith in Eph. 2:8. Our faith in...
  18. fredoheaven

    Understanding God’s election

    Christ indeed abolished death and hath brought life through the gospel and that the gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation to those who believe it. Hence, the believing part as responsive action to the gospel is not basically a works of righteousness so he could boast. Believing...
  19. fredoheaven

    Understanding God’s election

    The core problem is to try to understand that when one repents and places his faith in Christ alone for salvation is to make it as a form of works of righteousness. Basically, this is false, the Bible says that these are our responsive action to what is being condition. As far as salvation is...
  20. fredoheaven

    Understanding God’s election

    Why should one pray for repentance and faith when God commands them to receive as a response to God's grace. Acts 17:30 At the times of this ignorance God winked t, but now commandeth all men every where to repent. Also, why not put it simply Grace which is the bible word. Why Irresistible or...